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    Goodbye Marvin, Peko, M Johnson, Zampese, Alexander, Haslett, Hayes, Lazor, Urban, Caskey, Winston, Maualuga, Nugent, Jones and Dansby.
    Getting rid of all those players and coaches we should still be able to compete next year as we take one year to rebuild.
    Each one of these players and coaches are worst than last year. Our LB'ers, running backs, Wide Receivers and Oline. To point out the main problems.

    We need a reset badly. I will forgive all if we beat up on New England. But we know that won't happen. Rebounding shows the team is pissed and has the character to win this season. A close game win against New England means nothing. But a butt whipping gives me a new outlook that we have a championship team that just had a bad game.

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    It is absolutely amazing how bad Adam Jones has dropped off since last year. He isn't even in the same time zone.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lewdog View Post
      It is absolutely amazing how bad Adam Jones has dropped off since last year. He isn't even in the same time zone.
      The whole team has dropped off. Outside of Dline

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      • #4
        I agree, SC. Blow it up !! Especially Marvin and Paul A. Replace them with proven, bad ass winners, with power over personnel (coaches and players) decisions.

        But we both know it ain't going to happen. If we don't know Mike Brown by now, we will never know him.

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        • #5
          Get Tom Coughlin out of retirement? Les Miles?

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          • #6
            Whenever even SC gets negative, you know things are bad... REAL bad.

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            • #7
              Nice dream, but we all know it will never happen. When MFB extends Mediocre Marv every year and has never won a playoff game, then that is all anyone needs to know. It just proves Zimmer, Hue and even Gruden are the reason Marv still has his job today, then again we still have MFB.
              "We started with a very low standard, so we have nowhere to go but up," offensive coordinator Jay Gruden said. So you set your standards as low? WOW!

              "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

              Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.

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              • #8
                What window ya'll thought was open was either never open or shut now.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Super Cat View Post
                  Goodbye Marvin, Peko, M Johnson, Zampese, Alexander, Haslett, Hayes, Lazor, Urban, Caskey, Winston, Maualuga, Nugent, Jones and Dansby.
                  Getting rid of all those players and coaches we should still be able to compete next year as we take one year to rebuild.
                  Each one of these players and coaches are worst than last year. Our LB'ers, running backs, Wide Receivers and Oline. To point out the main problems.

                  We need a reset badly. I will forgive all if we beat up on New England. But we know that won't happen. Rebounding shows the team is pissed and has the character to win this season. A close game win against New England means nothing. But a butt whipping gives me a new outlook that we have a championship team that just had a bad game.
                  There really needs to be a clean slate throughout. Give Tobin the official title of G.M., pay him appropriately, and let him hire his own Assistant G.M., the new H.C, the new O.C., and let him make hisown opinion about the rest of the entire Coaching Staff. Let him pick the new Head of Scouting and let him decide the size of that department.

                  Mike Brown has relinquished a little control every year for the last decade-plus, but it's time to completley let go and step down. Retire.
                  Last edited by BlazerBenner; 10-09-2016, 10:14 PM.
                  "The History of the National Football League proves that most games are won in the last two minutes of the first half or the second half." -- Vince Lombardi.

                  "You're either incredibly prepared, or incredibly physically talented."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlazerBenner View Post
                    There really needs to be a clean slate throughout. Give Tobin the official title of G.M., pay him appropriately, and let him hire his own Assistant G.M., the new H.C, the new O.C., and let him make hisown opinion about the rest of the entire Coaching Staff. Let him pick the new Head of Scouting and let him decide the size of that department.

                    Mike Brown has relinquished a little control every year for the last decade-plus, but it's time to completley let go and step down. Retire.
                    As fans, none of us can know for certain what exactly has happened from last year's 12-4 team to this year's 2-3 mess. All we know is that a huge drop-off of some sort has occurred. Today's 28-0 3rd Qtr deficit was nothing short of appalling, and only a fool would think no changes need to be made, but what exactly those changes need be is pure conjecture.

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                    • #11
                      What I observe is this:

                      The offensive line:
                      This unit has been above-average. The weak-link is Bodine. However, we had 4 other dependable players to compensate for his poor play. Cedric Ogbuehi is awful. He is consistently getting beat. Cedric is probably great at practice going against the same guys. When you go against different opponents, different story. So now we have 3 dependable players trying to compensate for the poor play of Bodine and Ogbuehi. This is why pass protection is shaky and our running game is terrible.

                      ** Cowboys spent a 1st round pick on a center. Everyone thought they were crazy. Their O-Line is elite. The Bengals have needed a center forever. Instead of getting "the guy" by any means necessary, we whiff in the middle of the rounds of the draft. The best solution is a guy from UNC who benched press 225 lbs. a lot. A great journal article studied any correlation between all-pro potential and combine tests revealed that there is no correlation between the 225 lbs. bench press and potential performance in the NFL. But hey, Bodine sure can bench press a lot!!

                      Defense: We should have let Adam Jones or Iloka go and re-signed Reggie Nelson. Nelson was the glue of the secondary and better in coverage than either Williams or Iloka. Jones is showing his age, Williams and Iloka just want to run around and try to hit people. Now we are letting huge pass plays up. Linebackers are still terrible, the defensive line is getting old quick. As many draft picks we have spent on the defensive-line, most are a bust.

                      Wide Receivers: The Bengals tried to re-sign Marvin Jones for the same money. For some reason, he wanted to be #1 that we could not offer. The draft was a bust for WR this year and we whiffed on Tyler Boyd. Boyd is a possession receiver. Brandon LaFell is a possession receiver. What this offense needs is a deep threat who can tear the top off of a defense; pair that with Green and it's a lights out offense. Dalton and Green can take you only so far. The WR Corps eerily looks like the one of 2009 where no one could get open.

                      Probably should have traded Eifert ASAP after last season. Missing 24/39 possible games doesn't help your team. Next, as soon as he hits FA, some other team will offer him tons of money. He'll bolt for $$$. Probably best to get him out of here. High potential, low return. Hurts not having him in the offense. But we need to let him walk.

                      I would also get rid of Burfict too. He's a pain in the butt and not worth dealing with him. Can't help the team missing so much time and expect to be a team-leader.

                      Team looks like they aren't having any fun or generating the same kind of effort like last year.
                      Last edited by BengalCP9; 10-10-2016, 12:38 AM.

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                      • #12
                        The issue here is we stuck WAY too long with the Marvin. Last years playoff loss has clearly left a long term mark but he should have been replaced years ago. The secondary issue is - even we we crap the bed this year and we move on from Marvin there is LITTLE chance we do more than promote from within. It kills Mikey to hire from outside and give control to outsiders. Mikey should have canned ML 2 years ago and let Zimmer take over. This was clear as day as the right move to make. Now, if they move on from ML they are MOST likely to make a patsy move that, at best, keeps us in a sideways mode for awhile. I am not confident that Tobin and Katie will have enough influence in the decision.
                        Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                        • #13
                          I wish it was just as simple as firing Marvin Lewis and bringing in a better guy, because that's a simple fix, as unlikely as it is to happen. My great burning fear, however, is that this team just isn't very good, from top to bottom. There's no quick fix for that.

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                          • #14
                            We should remember that Mikey does not rebuild..he RELOADS!!! Yes, he needs to reload in order to shoot himself on the foot again and again.
                            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Maldez View Post
                              I wish it was just as simple as firing Marvin Lewis and bringing in a better guy, because that's a simple fix, as unlikely as it is to happen. My great burning fear, however, is that this team just isn't very good, from top to bottom. There's no quick fix for that.
                              This team has a lot of talent and Tobin's group is as good as any in the league. It is becoming very very clear that the shortcomings are with coaching. Marvin got us to above average but it could not get us over the playoff game hump and you can only do that trip so many times before it wears thin on players. We missed hiring Zimmer which was an out right failure to see the forest for the trees. Now the only option is to hire someone from the outside.
                              Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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