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  • #76
    Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
    The analogy is - the team makes changes in order to win championships. They could rest on the laurels as a top 10 or top 5 team but instead they make changes to be #1. It is what the Pats do as well. In every league there are teams that drive and strive to be the best and others that just want to 'be in the mix'. Guess which one we are?
    The Pats do more than just make changes, even though they do make plenty of them yearly. In that respect alone, they are the anti-Bengals, who change slower than the rest of the NFL.

    Everyone knows who the Patriots are - a very intelligent, disciplined organization/team, who constantly find pieces of the puzzle that meet their standards. Their players are guys who can learn the advanced playbook and execute the plays with precision. They get with the program or get shown the door.

    The Patriots play like a machine - even though the lineup changes every year. They find gems low in the draft, trade for players and sign perfect FAs that can make their grade

    The Bengals just seem like a bunch of guys who can run fast, jump high and lift 225 lbs. a bunch of times. There seems to be no identity to the Bengals, other that "losers" or "underachievers."

    Guys that would get cut by some teams - thrive with the Patriots.

    "Studs" that show off on the Bengals, couldn't play for the Pats.

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    • #77
      And they will win it all again tomorrow...proving that cheating coaches, drunken owners, and all-around money for the NFL making monsters, are once again the object of your worship (outside of some team from western PA).

      Thankfully, but of course according to plan/cue, Tommy does have an expiration date. His bye-bye will put your deities back on mortal ground.

      Great while it lasts for you...so enjoy it to the hilt.
      "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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      • #78
        You're bitter bias notwithstanding, they probably will win the SB again.

        You think all you need is cheating coaches, drunken owners and bribe money to win? lolololol

        Are you a defense attorney? lol

        Ask yourself why Ocho Cinco couldn't get off the bench in N.E.

        Ask yourself why small WRs with pedestrian speed can gain 1000 yards with the Pats.

        Ask yourself why their defense is rated near the top, annually, even while they cut great players for non-compliance.

        Brady may never have been great if he had gotten drafted by the Bengals or most any other team. The Patriots are the sum of their parts. They won 14 or 15 games one year with a backup QB who hadn't started a game since high school !! He left for FA and we never heard from again. It ain't ALL Brady.

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        • #79
          Exactly Lima. The Pats are the gold standard of winning NFL team environment. They are leading edge and sometimes push the envelope too far but do so to WIN.

          I wish we were called cheaters but had won 4 SB's. Instead we are called thugs who lose every playoff game. Every fan base is jealous of the Pats. Call them every name in the book but we would all love to be in their shoes.
          Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
            Exactly Lima. The Pats are the gold standard of winning NFL team environment. They are leading edge and sometimes push the envelope too far but do so to WIN.

            I wish we were called cheaters but had won 4 SB's. Instead we are called thugs who lose every playoff game. Every fan base is jealous of the Pats. Call them every name in the book but we would all love to be in their shoes.
            Be glad we're not known as the team that blew a 25 second half lead in the Super Bowl

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            • #81
              Originally posted by LimaBengal View Post
              You're bitter bias notwithstanding, they probably will win the SB again.

              You think all you need is cheating coaches, drunken owners and bribe money to win? lolololol

              Are you a defense attorney? lol

              Ask yourself why Ocho Cinco couldn't get off the bench in N.E.

              Ask yourself why small WRs with pedestrian speed can gain 1000 yards with the Pats.

              Ask yourself why their defense is rated near the top, annually, even while they cut great players for non-compliance.

              Brady may never have been great if he had gotten drafted by the Bengals or most any other team. The Patriots are the sum of their parts. They won 14 or 15 games one year with a backup QB who hadn't started a game since high school !! He left for FA and we never heard from again. It ain't ALL Brady.
              All of your deflecting statements aside, and especially after the events of yesterday, it IS all Tommy. Followed in very close order by the greatest coach in the history of the NFL (and his always fully-stocked assistants). He cheats, but he wins more from his brilliance. The owner is a drunken boob, but knows how to just supply the loot to get it done.

              There, it was said. Wonderful. Now, how do 31 other NFL franchises do the same thing? They don't. But you go ahead and bellyache and complain as to why it doesn't happen here. It would be reasonable, if it wasn't so grindingly outdated with the incessant '90's era reference points--when you know damn well it is nowhere like that.

              The Patriots' time will end...just like all dynasties end. There might be another Bellicheat and Tommy again sometime, but I haven't seen anything close in the present.
              "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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              • #82
                They don't cheat. They push the envelope. James T. Kirk beat the Kobiashi Maru because he pushed the envelope.
                Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side!

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                • #83
                  It is not often that you get that combination of brilliant coach and elite QB - obviously Belichick/Brady; Walsh/Montana. I would not even put Aikman/Johnson or Noll/Bradshaw up there becuase those 2 QB's were dimwits helped by great defenses and great offensive weapons. Perhaps Paul Brown/Otto Graham; Lombardi/Starr are close to the top as well. I always considered Montana/Walsh as the best combo simply becuase they were both brilliant football minds, but Belichick/Brady have topped them. ML/Dalton are...never mind..
                  Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                  • #84
                    Like I said...none of the other 31 teams have anything remotely close at present.
                    "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                      All of your deflecting statements aside, and especially after the events of yesterday, it IS all Tommy. Followed in very close order by the greatest coach in the history of the NFL (and his always fully-stocked assistants). He cheats, but he wins more from his brilliance. The owner is a drunken boob, but knows how to just supply the loot to get it done.

                      There, it was said. Wonderful. Now, how do 31 other NFL franchises do the same thing? They don't. But you go ahead and bellyache and complain as to why it doesn't happen here. It would be reasonable, if it wasn't so grindingly outdated with the incessant '90's era reference points--when you know damn well it is nowhere like that.

                      The Patriots' time will end...just like all dynasties end. There might be another Bellicheat and Tommy again sometime, but I haven't seen anything close in the present.
                      BS


                      It isn't all Tommy. It's the system. They change personnel constantly adding and removing pieces that fit "the system" They have the same salary cap as us. They haven't had a top-5 pick since 1999 and only 2 top-10 picks since 1999. They draft near the bottom every year. The constantly find players that are intelligent and team-oriented and FIT the system.

                      An Ocho Cinco could star and show off for years in Mike Brown's circus, but couldn't make the grade in Boston, where more is required.

                      If the Patriots had drafted Carson Palmer and the Bengals had drafted Tom Brady - they both would probably be having near the same results.

                      New England created Tom Brady - not the other way around. It starts in the Front Office and with the HC.

                      Mike Brown has won ZERO playoff games in his tenure since his father died. 1000's of players have been through the roster. Loads of top 10 picks.

                      You can bellyache all you want about the referees, the league, the media and all those other cheatin' teams all you want....but in the end, the Bengals can blame no one but themselves for their fortunes.

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                      • #86
                        Now it is you who,are all over the map. Not unprecedented, as your arguments tend to take long and winding non-connecting routes to the same subject: the denigration of the Bengals.

                        For lack of a better description: if there were no New England Patriots, you would invent them.

                        But let's not quibble: if this vaunted "system" has always been in place..then why isn't Steve Grogan in the HOF? Mike Holovak certainly would have had a hand in this "system" amirite? Victor Kiam would have had his imprints all over today's dynasty, correct? John Hannah?

                        No, it comes back to the two people who--were they not uniquely connected at just the right moment in time and in just the same place--would not have done it. Remembering Billy the Brown and 6th-round Tommy buried on a depth chart.

                        Talk about your interchangeable part "system" incessantly does not make it reality. Otherwise, Drew Bledsoe and Pete Carroll would have been hoisting trophies too.
                        "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                          Now it is you who,are all over the map. Not unprecedented, as your arguments tend to take long and winding non-connecting routes to the same subject: the denigration of the Bengals.

                          For lack of a better description: if there were no New England Patriots, you would invent them.

                          But let's not quibble: if this vaunted "system" has always been in place..then why isn't Steve Grogan in the HOF? Mike Holovak certainly would have had a hand in this "system" amirite? Victor Kiam would have had his imprints all over today's dynasty, correct? John Hannah?

                          No, it comes back to the two people who--were they not uniquely connected at just the right moment in time and in just the same place--would not have done it. Remembering Billy the Brown and 6th-round Tommy buried on a depth chart.

                          Talk about your interchangeable part "system" incessantly does not make it reality. Otherwise, Drew Bledsoe and Pete Carroll would have been hoisting trophies too.

                          Not always. Never said "always", counselor. It started when Kroft bought the team.

                          Same as the Bengals miring in mediocrity began when Mikey Brown assumed the helm.

                          It all starts at the top.

                          Your insinuation that Tommy boy could lead any roster of players to 5 Super Bowls is laughable. The fact that he has led 5 completely different Patriot rosters to championships supports my "great organization" argument. It is more than one coach and one player. That is just a sour grapes argument saying that the Pats got "lucky", otherwise, they would be just like the Bengals.

                          Ridiculous.

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                          • #88
                            This is not rocket science. In any organization, the more elite people you have - be it the owner, the GM, the scouts, the coaches, the players - the higher the chances of success and sustained success. The top organizations - be it in sports of business look for top talent throughout the organization. The Pats in the NFL are the gold standard. Seattle is trying to be at the level and a few other teams are as well. Then you have the next level of teams that just like being in the mix or are incapable of seeing what moves they need to make to be elite. These great organizations are the sum of great parts. The Bengals are the sum of average parts, hence they remain average.
                            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                            • #89
                              I think you can take a little bit of truth to what everyone is saying here. Belichik was run out of Cleveland, was it because of the system Cleveland had in place or was it the players he had? Remember NE sucked for along time before Kraft and Bill took over. I think you have to chalk this dynasty up to the cosmos lining up perfectly for them to begin. What if Bledsoe had never gotten hurt, Cleveland shit canning Bill... I hate NE just as much as the next fan but I envy what they do player personel wise. Don't do your job, bye, bye!! Lima brings up a great point, they do so much with "over achieving" players. Why can their WRs get so much separation and find no name linemen and make them good players? WE have a very good team, but we are all over the map with them. To much worrying about upsetting the locker room and vets they think they should be loyal to, that perform sub par. That is the problem with this team. I bet you now, that we resign #58 and #94 because they are upstanding citizens and locker room guys, instead of sending the "Patriots" way of getting a message across. IF you aren't good enough to get this team to next level, we'll find someone else who will.....

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                              • #90
                                Re-signing Peko will be like ringing the bell "nothing has changed"
                                Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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