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  • #91
    Robert Kraft purchased the Pats when they were at their lowest value. Smart business guy. This was 1994. He has Bill Parcells already there. After 3 seasons, they are in the Super Bowl (they lost). Brilliant Bob-who could not take credit for hiring Parcells--decides he knows more about drafting players than Tuna, and overrules him on draft picks the following spring. Parcells leaves. He takes Bellichek with him. Pete Carroll comes in, Pete Carroll tanks. Bob decides he really isn't all that in the football evaluation thing, so he trades a first-round pick to the Jets, and brings Bellichek in (with the blessing and guidance of Parcells). Team tanks until a bad injury takes place, allowing that 6th Round guy to get in. Next year: first SB win...and on to dynasty we go.

    So..still want to hang on that Kraft is one of the 3 legs of that dynasty stool, or just along for the ride?
    "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
      Robert Kraft purchased the Pats when they were at their lowest value. Smart business guy. This was 1994. He has Bill Parcells already there. After 3 seasons, they are in the Super Bowl (they lost). Brilliant Bob-who could not take credit for hiring Parcells--decides he knows more about drafting players than Tuna, and overrules him on draft picks the following spring. Parcells leaves. He takes Bellichek with him. Pete Carroll comes in, Pete Carroll tanks. Bob decides he really isn't all that in the football evaluation thing, so he trades a first-round pick to the Jets, and brings Bellichek in (with the blessing and guidance of Parcells). Team tanks until a bad injury takes place, allowing that 6th Round guy to get in. Next year: first SB win...and on to dynasty we go.

      So..still want to hang on that Kraft is one of the 3 legs of that dynasty stool, or just along for the ride?
      Kind of proved my point. Kraft went out and did something, even if it took a few years. Brown has had control of this team for almost 30 years and just sat still with it. Lewis, changed the coulture somewhat but just hasn't brought the ultimate prize to Cincy nor will he ever. So yeah, as a fan for over 40 some years, I am along for the ride on this round about that I refuse to get in the right lane so I can get off...

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
        Thought I would read up on all of this supposed Urban-led "shakeup".

        Seems he didn't can anyone. The Offensive Coordinator--who also just happened to be the QB coach--left on his own accord to become...wait for it...Offensive Coordinator and QB coach at Texas. And where another former OSU Offensive Coordinator (and sorely missed) happens to be the HC.

        So the newbies who come in: is one of Chip's staff jettisoned with him at SF (QB coach), and a former HC of Indiana for offensive coordinator.

        So while the optics would strive to show some magnanimous changes to not be "status quo", the reality is that there was going to be a need to fill both positions anyway.

        Not that any of this still matters in terms of the Bengals, but interesting to look a little deeper.
        From my perspective as an OSU fan in Columbus that's not quite how it happed. Yes, the QB coach left for Texas and there can be some question as to whether it was "suggest" by Urban first that he dust off his resume, but the two changes were made basically simultaneously. There was no job search for a QB coach, which tells me Urban had his guy lined up.

        But in the case of the OC, it was in the news weeks before his actual hire that he was going to be named to that position. It only became official after the existing OC found his job. It's pretty clear that Meyer was going to make that change and gave the incumbent time to find a new position rather than "firing" him.

        As for whether or not it's an apt comparison or not, I obviously believe it is. There are also college teams that go year after year of mediocrity without making a change. Yes, OSU is not hurting for cash which can make things like this easier. But you can't convince me that the reason Lewis is still in Cincy is because the Bengals just don't have the resources to bring someone else in. They can, but choose not to either because they are satisfied with how they are now or that they will get better if left alone.
        Sto Pro Veritate

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        • #94
          Let's get in all straighten out. It wasn't Kraft, It wasn't Brady. It was Belichick that changed New England. Belichick is a top student of the game. He is a football historian and his number one study was Paul Brown. If you know Paul Brown, you see the same type football as Brown ran from the 40's all the way to the mid 70's. Brown would change the game every game.
          In 1950 the Browns enter the NFL with 3 other teams from the AAFC. The Browns first game was against NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles. The game matching the two champions from the two different leagues. the Eagles were heavy favorites 70,000 fans crammed into Municipal Stadium to watch the contest. The Browns won the game 35-10. After Greasy Neale the Eagles head coach commented sure they can defeat us with that fancy passing stuff but how could they do in a physical game, later that year they played again and the Brown's never recorded a pass and again defeated the Eagles 13-7 after that year Neale retired.

          Brown used the double tight ends, receiving running backs and invented the draw play.
          Belichicks words on Paul Brown http://bengalsjungle.com/forum/conte...chick-on-Brown

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Girevik View Post
            From my perspective as an OSU fan in Columbus that's not quite how it happed. Yes, the QB coach left for Texas and there can be some question as to whether it was "suggest" by Urban first that he dust off his resume, but the two changes were made basically simultaneously. There was no job search for a QB coach, which tells me Urban had his guy lined up.

            But in the case of the OC, it was in the news weeks before his actual hire that he was going to be named to that position. It only became official after the existing OC found his job. It's pretty clear that Meyer was going to make that change and gave the incumbent time to find a new position rather than "firing" him.

            As for whether or not it's an apt comparison or not, I obviously believe it is. There are also college teams that go year after year of mediocrity without making a change. Yes, OSU is not hurting for cash which can make things like this easier. But you can't convince me that the reason Lewis is still in Cincy is because the Bengals just don't have the resources to bring someone else in. They can, but choose not to either because they are satisfied with how they are now or that they will get better if left alone.
            I read the Dispatch too and, like I said, the thing was an optics shift. I don't know or quite honestly care enough to know whether these two new guys are the cat's ass in terms of being able to get JT Barrett in a position to complete passes. I do know that Herman--who could actually squeeze something out of Cardale Jones--thought enough of Beck to give him the top job running his offense at Texas over any other of his candidates. In fact, he already had a short list of candidates in place in mid-December--well before OSU's Playoff Game--and Beck wasn't on it. Stuff hits the fan, and all of a sudden, Herman drops his other candidates and goes after Beck? Maybe Urban told him to take a hike, and he did. We don't really know. I guess the thought process you have that benevolent Urban gave poor downtrodden Tom Beck enough time to scrape up some piddly job before he crapcanned him, just doesn't add up.
            "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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            • #96
              Originally posted by sandwedge View Post
              I think you can take a little bit of truth to what everyone is saying here. Belichik was run out of Cleveland, was it because of the system Cleveland had in place or was it the players he had? Remember NE sucked for along time before Kraft and Bill took over. I think you have to chalk this dynasty up to the cosmos lining up perfectly for them to begin. What if Bledsoe had never gotten hurt, Cleveland shit canning Bill... I hate NE just as much as the next fan but I envy what they do player personel wise. Don't do your job, bye, bye!! Lima brings up a great point, they do so much with "over achieving" players. Why can their WRs get so much separation and find no name linemen and make them good players? WE have a very good team, but we are all over the map with them. To much worrying about upsetting the locker room and vets they think they should be loyal to, that perform sub par. That is the problem with this team. I bet you now, that we resign #58 and #94 because they are upstanding citizens and locker room guys, instead of sending the "Patriots" way of getting a message across. IF you aren't good enough to get this team to next level, we'll find someone else who will.....
              The canning of Belichick was done by the newly formed Ravens in 1996 after the move. It was a PR move to hire the old Colt's coach Ted Marchibroda. Belichick had turned the Browns around and they were 11-5 in 1994 and won a playoff game. They were mentioned in a lot of publications as AFC favorites for the 1995 Super Bowl. They started 3-1 i believe in 1995 and then the story broke about the move. I think we can all be happy that Bill didn't keep his job after the move.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by VOR View Post
                The canning of Belichick was done by the newly formed Ravens in 1996 after the move. It was a PR move to hire the old Colt's coach Ted Marchibroda. Belichick had turned the Browns around and they were 11-5 in 1994 and won a playoff game. They were mentioned in a lot of publications as AFC favorites for the 1995 Super Bowl. They started 3-1 i believe in 1995 and then the story broke about the move. I think we can all be happy that Bill didn't keep his job after the move.
                What sticks out in my mind about Belichick's time in Cleveland was his cutting of hometown boy, Bernie Kosar. Kosar had just been signed to a huge extension and Belichick, seeing what Browns fans couldn't was that Bernie just was not talented enough to be a starting QB in the NFL. That took guts. In reviewing this history, I looked up some stuff on BB on Wiki and found this slanted piece on Bernie Kosar:

                One of his most controversial moves was cutting quarterback Bernie Kosar after the 1993 season. Kosar was subsequently signed by the Dallas Cowboys, helping lead them to victory in Super Bowl XXVIII.
                Helped lead the Cowboys to a Super Bowl victory? He started one game and the Cowboys lost that game! He contributed next to nothing to the Cowboys winning the SB that year. Hilarious...

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                • #98
                  That is hilarious. Bernie took one snap in that SB--a kneel down.

                  I guess to say Bill was an all-knowing sage at that time is somewhat misleading. Even by 1992, Bernie was playing less than Tomczak...and by 1993 Vinny had taken over. It was more of a drawn out separation than a bolt from the blue.
                  "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                  • #99
                    More brilliance from ML:

                    Marvin Lewis coaches the team that used a second-round pick on a guy who punched a woman in the face.

                    Marvin Lewis thinks the NFL’s relaxation of celebration penalties sets a bad example for the youth of America.

                    Via Katherine Terrell of ESPN.com, the Bengals coach said he was not a fan of the league’s decision to allow expanded touchdown celebrations.

                    “I’m not for that at all,” Lewis said. “We had a good standard and the whole standard has always been you want to teach people how to play the game the correct way and go about it the correct way, and that’s not a very good example for young people.”

                    Lewis has seen first-hand when individualism is taken to its extreme, having coached Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens, two of the greats of the last generation of players allowed to have fun after achieving a difficult thing.

                    “The rules were changed for a reason and I thought we had a good outcome,” Lewis said. “Again, this is a team game, and . . . I don’t understand why we want to give in to individual celebrations.”

                    Of course, it would be easy to suggest that Lewis is focusing on the wrong things, considering the Bengals just drafted Oklahoma running back Joe Mixon, who fell into their laps because there happened to be video of him — stop us if we said this already — punching a woman in the face.

                    And because it’s easy to suggest that Lewis is focusing on the wrong things, we’ll continue to do it. Particularly when Mixon scores a touchdown this year, the ability to do so which caused the Bengals to ignore the fact he punched a woman in the face.

                    He better not dance, or else Lewis might have to say enough is enough.
                    Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                    • I am not certain where your writing and/or media hack writing begins or ends, but either ones are disjointed and stereotypical.

                      This corrupt and hypocritical league is attempting to change its "no fun league" appearance by allowing their trained killers to go chorus line for the delight of the crowd--and our coach disagrees. This is bad for some reason? Then whoever wrote the post, injects Joe Mixon into the subject, and even says "don't dance, Joe--you are a bad person"? Even if the pious point was to somehow connect ML to double-standard, it is a complete non sequitur.

                      "Act like you have been there before" was a quote from the guy our stadium is named after. The present coach goes along with that sentiment. Can the writer try and connect Joe Mixon in there someplace?
                      "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                      • That's crack reporting there.... I wouldn't wipe my ass with that. Maybe ESPN should have fired her....

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                        • Originally posted by sandwedge View Post
                          That's crack reporting there.... I wouldn't wipe my ass with that. Maybe ESPN should have fired her....
                          No doubt.

                          I don't see ESPN or FS1 said Sam I Am.

                          I agree with Lewis.

                          Grow up. Act professional. Hockey and Baseball police themselves. Tenns suspends you.
                          "The History of the National Football League proves that most games are won in the last two minutes of the first half or the second half." -- Vince Lombardi.

                          "You're either incredibly prepared, or incredibly physically talented."

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                          • I disagree, you can celebrate without being ridiculous - EVERY other professional league does it. The writer's point was Lewis wants the league to act professionally but his team draft guys who beat women making the team look quite misguided in it's approach. Furthermore, the celebration rule came into play because of clowns like Chad Johnson whom Marvin did not have the BALLS to control.

                            I would tell Marvin - you what is not fun? Watching you coach a game, especially a playoff game. Your lame annual slogans and your coach speak. All zero fun.

                            And lets not forget PB DID the Ickey Shuffle. that was fun. Marvin clapping like an idiot and saying 'we need to be better and we will' is not fun.
                            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                            • Act like you have been there. It wasn't about celebration, but about rubbing it in to an opponent.. What gets me pissed off more is first down celebrations. Ban them, not TD's.

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                              • Originally posted by Super Cat View Post
                                Act like you have been there. It wasn't about celebration, but about rubbing it in to an opponent.. What gets me pissed off more is first down celebrations. Ban them, not TD's.
                                And if you celebrate a TD when your team is down 21 points you should face a firing squad.

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