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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I'd prefer Barnett over Garrett. Admittedly I'm a U-Tenn fan but that does mean that I've seen a lot of Barnett. He broke Reggie White's sack record and he did it mainly against SEC schools. Most of Garrett's sacks came against non conference opponents that suck.
    SEC was not the dominant league it has been in years past.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by NCStripes View Post
      SEC was not the dominant league it has been in years past.
      First of all this is over a career, not just this yr but even if you want to say the SEC isn't what it once was, do you understand what we're comparing here? We're comparing a player's stats vs SEC teams and those vs the non SEC team's on Missou's schedule. For example this yr those teams were Eastern Mich, Delaware St, Middle Tennessee and West Va. Do you really want to harp on the SEC's weakness when compared to those teams? West Va was good of course but the others should be considered scrimmages.

      http://www.wbir.com/sports/college/v...ally/329413487

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sea Ray View Post
        First of all this is over a career, not just this yr but even if you want to say the SEC isn't what it once was, do you understand what we're comparing here? We're comparing a player's stats vs SEC teams and those vs the non SEC team's on Missou's schedule. For example this yr those teams were Eastern Mich, Delaware St, Middle Tennessee and West Va. Do you really want to harp on the SEC's weakness when compared to those teams? West Va was good of course but the others should be considered scrimmages.

        http://www.wbir.com/sports/college/v...ally/329413487
        I probably should not have replied - my bad. Has nothing to do with the players you mentioned or this thread. The talent in all of the major conferences is very good. Living in the south I am tired of hearing about the SEC. IMHO both the ACC and the Big 10 were better conferences this year.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by NCStripes View Post
          I probably should not have replied - my bad. Has nothing to do with the players you mentioned or this thread. The talent in all of the major conferences is very good. Living in the south I am tired of hearing about the SEC. IMHO both the ACC and the Big 10 were better conferences this year.
          That's a totally different discussion...I'll get to that in a minute, the point here is that regardless of the strength of the SEC, Missouri's non conference schedule was much, much easier, as is the case with all power5 schools.

          As for the best conference, w/o a doubt the ACC takes the crown this yr. The Big Ten had a very good regular season but didn't look too good in the Bowl games. I'm a Tennessee alum and I can say that it's gotten to the point where I look forward to beating up on a slow B1G team every yr in a Bowl game. It's happened 3 straight yrs.

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          • #35
            This may be the lamest article i have read in some time:

            http://www.daytondailynews.com/sport...GSq62VUozAFXJ/

            The Bengals missed the playoffs for the first time since 2010, but coach Marvin Lewis has indicated he feels the team is not in need of a total reboot.

            Here are five reasons he’s right:

            1. With the ninth pick in the draft, they should get an impact player.

            The Bengals haven’t gotten a lot out of the draft in the past couple of years, in part because of injuries but also because they haven’t picked in the top half of the first round since grabbing A.J. Green with the fourth pick in 2011.

            2. Although the team has 15 free agents, only about a third are likely to be considered priorities to re-sign.

            Seven year-end starters have contracts that are up – Andrew Whitworth, T.J. Johnson (restricted), Kevin Zeitler, Brandon LaFell, Domata Peko, Karlos Dansby and Dre Kirkpatrick – and there are young players potentially ready to take every one of their spots.

            That should them some piece of mind and make it easier for the team to find the money to keep stalwarts Whitworth and Zeitler while deciding how much they want to invest in Kirkpatrick and Johnson.

            RELATED: Some numbers that add clarity to Bengals’ reality

            3. They know what they have at quarterback, receiver, defensive line and head coach.

            Those are some of, if not the, most crucial elements for success in today’s NFL, so that’s a nice set of cornerstones for a management group that not long ago had put together one of the deepest rosters in the league before natural attrition began to take its toll last offseason.

            No team stays the same every year, but stability is essential in the NFL.

            Of course not everyone will agree with the quality of those pieces, but we’ll discuss that tomorrow.

            4. Many answers might already be on the roster.

            In Jake Fisher, Cedric Ogbuehi, Nick Vigil, P.J. Dawson, Darqueze Dennard, William Jackson III and KeiVarae Russell, the Bengals have a bunch of players who were high draft picks who haven’t blossomed yet nor played enough to conclude that won’t happen.

            It’s not too much to expect them all to at least round into reliable players while hoping some of them still turn into stars.

            5. The schedule should soften.

            When you get to the playoffs, they don’t ask how as much as how many: All those wins count the same (unless tiebreakers come into play) in the standings at the end of the year.

            Playing a third-place schedule should prove to be easier than the first-place docket of 2016 (bye-bye, Patriots and Cowboys).

            __________________________________________________

            Let's see:

            1. Lewis rarely plays new draftees
            2. If only a 1/3rd of the free agents are priorities what does that say about the other 2/3rds?
            3. "They know they have a Quarterback..Head Coach"..lol..guys who fail at each crucial game.
            4. Yes, many answers probably are on the roster - but can the coaching staff get it out of them ort even let them on the filed to learn. prime example, watch us re-sign frigging Peko for two years. Sounds like Hobs wrote this one
            5. Nothing like lessor competition to make the team better
            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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            • #36
              Walter Football site has a list of players visited by team. If i recall, there does seem to be a high correlation on the Bengals between visits and getting drafted. Just food for thought:

              Rudy Ford, S, Auburn (SR)
              Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (SR)
              Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin (SR)
              Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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              • #37
                Hooker - S

                He will be a 15 year starter somewhere.

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                • #38
                  I love Hooker, but I keep seeing comparisons to Ed Reed and the like. Hooker is one heck of a ball hawk and a cover guy, but he is not a big hitter. He's not a guy that is a huge asset in the run game, and he's not going to make guys fear coming over the middle.
                  Sto Pro Veritate

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                  • #39
                    Just having a little fun here and mocking what would look like a successful offseason to me. For the sake of argument I'm throwing in one high price FA acquisition, which is entirely outside the Bengals' usual protocol, but if ever there was a year to do it it would be this one (on account of the fact that we can build depth on day 3 of the draft, we can use cap room on a difference maker).

                    1. Release Maualuga and Adam Jones
                    2. Let Peko, Hunt, Zeitler, and Burkhead walk. Re-sign all our other FAs. I'd love to have Zietler and Burkhead back but I'm trying to make this scenario realistic cap-wise.
                    3. Sign DT Jonathan Hankins from NYG.
                    4. Sign OG Ronald Leary from Dallas, and RB Brandon Bolden from the Pats as a special teamer.

                    Next I went to Fanspeaks On The Clock tool (http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/) to simulate a draft, based on the CBS sports draft board and my own knowledge. They use overthecap.com's projection of compensatory picks, which assumes two 4s and two 6s for us. I don't think that will prove accurate but whatever, here it goes:

                    9. Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
                    41. TreDavious White, CB, LSU
                    73. Pat Elflein, C, OSU
                    114. Chris Godwin, WR, PSU (didn't want a WR this high but he's a 2nd day talent on day 3)
                    137. Marquel Lee, LB, Wake (CBS doesn't have him this high, but he was the best LB left and having watched film of him I think he's at least a 4th rounder)
                    144. Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
                    154. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (may be the only draftable kicker so we reach for him)
                    194. Storm Norton, OT, Toledo (wanted an OT higher than this, but this is how it worked out)
                    218. Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB, Tennessee
                    221. T.J. Logan, RB, UNC
                    230. Cole Hikutini, TE, Louisville

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                    • #40
                      All sounds like a great plan.

                      I wouldn't be nervous about going after Zane Gonzalez even earlier. He is an insanely accurate kicker--even from long ranges.
                      "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                      • #41
                        What do you think about Reuben Foster, MLB from Alabama at that 9th pick?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                          Walter Football site has a list of players visited by team. If i recall, there does seem to be a high correlation on the Bengals between visits and getting drafted. Just food for thought:

                          Rudy Ford, S, Auburn (SR)
                          Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (SR)
                          Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin (SR)
                          I have had ECU season tickets for the last few years - the atmosphere is 100X better than a Wake Forest game. Zay Jones is a talented receiver that catches everything near him, has a knack to get open and get YAC. He is not a burner. If he slips to the 3 round I would grab him.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sea Ray View Post
                            What do you think about Reuben Foster, MLB from Alabama at that 9th pick?
                            I have read a lot of nay-sayers as to this guy: not big enough, plays on pure speed and no instincts, is a concussion machine (his).

                            All I know is: he makes plays. I would choose him in a minute.
                            "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                              I have read a lot of nay-sayers as to this guy: not big enough, plays on pure speed and no instincts, is a concussion machine (his).

                              All I know is: he makes plays. I would choose him in a minute.
                              He sure looked impressive in the NC game

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                              • #45
                                If we pass on Foster and he is still on the board, then we are stupid! Bengals don't value the LBer position, yet it was pretty evident last season that our suck. Foster would be a day 1 impact. Tired of watching Dansby and Rey "lope" behind receivers and backs down field.

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