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  • #61
    Roethlisberger is not committing to next season

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...to-2017-season

    Think we need to do something to see to it that AJ McCarron does not end up in Pittsburgh in the next couple of yrs

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    • #62
      The Bengals will not trade McCarron unless they get a damn good offer. The better question would be this. Should the Bengals trade Dalton? I've looked at his stats. In my opinion, he has hit his plateau. If I know anything about the NFL it is this. You don't win the Super Bowl without an elite QB. As much as it pains me, Dalton is not elite. He's good, but everything has to be perfect for him to be elite. Right now, our OL is far from perfect and our run game is putrid (unless the opponent is Cleveland). Dalton just lacks the "it" factor. Personally, I think McCarron just might have the "it" factor. If not him and we are in a win now mode, go get Romo, dump Dalton and wait a year to resign McCarron as the heir apparent to Tony.
      Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side!

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      • #63
        Ive actually had this thought. Never happen though.

        Except for the part re Romo. Dudes gonna shatter before our eyes if he ever plays again.
        Dona eis Requiem

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ralphmtsu View Post
          The Bengals will not trade McCarron unless they get a damn good offer. The better question would be this. Should the Bengals trade Dalton? I've looked at his stats. In my opinion, he has hit his plateau. If I know anything about the NFL it is this. You don't win the Super Bowl without an elite QB. As much as it pains me, Dalton is not elite. He's good, but everything has to be perfect for him to be elite. Right now, our OL is far from perfect and our run game is putrid (unless the opponent is Cleveland). Dalton just lacks the "it" factor. Personally, I think McCarron just might have the "it" factor. If not him and we are in a win now mode, go get Romo, dump Dalton and wait a year to resign McCarron as the heir apparent to Tony.
          Which is why for the last few draft to go QB in the first two rounds. We could have picked Carr or Garoppolo and they would have not only competed with Dalton but possibly passed him. The fact that this team 'accepts' Dalton shows how they like to be comfortable and competitive but not willing to push to be elite. There is simply no way the stars would align for Dalton to play at a high level for 3 straight playoff games against the toughest competition.

          Said it too may times already - we are going nowhere in the playoffs with Dalton and ML. They got us to this level, but that is it.
          Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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          • #65
            Dalton isn't given enough credit. He doesn't have the best offensive line plus his receivers are either young or hurt. Fix the line and all falls into place. I think we need Whitworth inside at tackle pay. Move Boling to center and put Whitworth between Ogbuehi and Boling.A couple years ago I might of agreed to replace Dalton, but now I'm fully behind him. His one weak spot is trying to feed Green. When Eifert is in the lineup, he throws to Green less. Either trade McCarron or let him play out his contract.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Super Cat View Post
              Dalton isn't given enough credit. He doesn't have the best offensive line plus his receivers are either young or hurt. Fix the line and all falls into place. I think we need Whitworth inside at tackle pay. Move Boling to center and put Whitworth between Ogbuehi and Boling.A couple years ago I might of agreed to replace Dalton, but now I'm fully behind him. His one weak spot is trying to feed Green. When Eifert is in the lineup, he throws to Green less. Either trade McCarron or let him play out his contract.
              You just made my point about Dalton not being elite. He has to have everything go right for him to be effective. Real elite QBs overcome the problems around them. Tom Brady always seems to be working behind a patch-work OL comprised of low round draft picks. Also, how many times has Brady worked with no-name receivers who rotate through New England? Edleman goes down. Gronk goes down. Hernandez goes to prison. Welker leaves. The constant is Brady who always finds someone to throw to. Same can be said of Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.

              Dalton just happens to be at the top end of average QBs like Tannehill, Bradford, Cutler, Stafford, Kaepernick, etc. Heck, he will soon be or has already been passed by QBs like Carr, Wilson, and Winston. To me, the question comes down to this. Do you really trust Dalton to make a play when it matters the most during a game? Far too often, the answer is that it is a crap-shoot at best. Whereas with a Brady, Brees, Rodgers or Ryan; you know the odds of making a must play are damn high. Now, part of this is also a coaching issue as well. ML plays way too conservative which in turn forces Dalton into situations where he has to make a crucial play. At times, this team seems to lack a killer instinct-- especially on offense. The only time I've really witnessed the team with a killer instinct is when the defense takes control of a game. We need more of that on offense. It might just be that the coaches don't trust Dalton. If that is the case, put someone back there that you do trust in. Give A.J. a shot. I think he has a lot of Brett Favre in him.
              Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by ralphmtsu View Post
                The Bengals will not trade McCarron unless they get a damn good offer. The better question would be this. Should the Bengals trade Dalton? I've looked at his stats. In my opinion, he has hit his plateau. If I know anything about the NFL it is this. You don't win the Super Bowl without an elite QB. As much as it pains me, Dalton is not elite. He's good, but everything has to be perfect for him to be elite. Right now, our OL is far from perfect and our run game is putrid (unless the opponent is Cleveland). Dalton just lacks the "it" factor. Personally, I think McCarron just might have the "it" factor. If not him and we are in a win now mode, go get Romo, dump Dalton and wait a year to resign McCarron as the heir apparent to Tony.
                That's complete bullshit! I can think of 2 QB that don't need "everything perfect". Rogers and Brady. They other 30 starting QBs are not going to carry their team on their backs. Maybe throw Ben in there but at times when Brown isn't in the line up he looks rather pedestrian. I'm LMAO at people that are starting to put Carr in that upper tier of QBs, please be real people. Dalton is the least of this franchises problem....

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by sandwedge View Post
                  That's complete bullshit! I can think of 2 QB that don't need "everything perfect". Rogers and Brady. They other 30 starting QBs are not going to carry their team on their backs. Maybe throw Ben in there but at times when Brown isn't in the line up he looks rather pedestrian. I'm LMAO at people that are starting to put Carr in that upper tier of QBs, please be real people. Dalton is the least of this franchises problem....
                  Dalton is ONE of the problems of the organization if the goal is to win a Super Bowl. If we want to just be a competitive team then you are correct he in not the problem. Carr played better this year than Dalton has in any year, what he do not know about him is - can he do it in big games? Won't know until he gets there. With Dalton we already know he is inclined to collapse like an old card table. he is a know commodity, much like Alex Smith. Alex perhaps a bit better but cannot get over the hump.

                  Is it hard to find an elite QB? Of course, but if you want to consistently compete for the Super Bowl you need one and you have to keep looking for one. In our history we have had 4 very good QB's (although one can say CP fails in big games as well) so it is not like they are impossible to find. I have no issue with playing Dalton until a better option is found. That should be the goal, keep looking for someone better.
                  Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                    Is it hard to find an elite QB? Of course, but if you want to consistently compete for the Super Bowl you need one and you have to keep looking for one. In our history we have had 4 very good QB's (although one can say CP fails in big games as well) so it is not like they are impossible to find. I have no issue with playing Dalton until a better option is found. That should be the goal, keep looking for someone better.
                    There is a Catch-22 with QBs. You play your starter until a better option is found, but you never know if the guy on the bench is better unless the starter gets injured or is sucking so bad that he gets benched. McCarron could be the next Tom Brady or he could be Nick Foles.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                      Dalton is ONE of the problems of the organization if the goal is to win a Super Bowl. If we want to just be a competitive team then you are correct he in not the problem. Carr played better this year than Dalton has in any year, what he do not know about him is - can he do it in big games? Won't know until he gets there. With Dalton we already know he is inclined to collapse like an old card table. he is a know commodity, much like Alex Smith. Alex perhaps a bit better but cannot get over the hump.

                      Is it hard to find an elite QB? Of course, but if you want to consistently compete for the Super Bowl you need one and you have to keep looking for one. In our history we have had 4 very good QB's (although one can say CP fails in big games as well) so it is not like they are impossible to find. I have no issue with playing Dalton until a better option is found. That should be the goal, keep looking for someone better.
                      More utter nonsense..... The whole team collapses.. But I know we want to blame someone for Gio's fumble, AJ dropping a perfect pass at the goal line or a coach unable to draw up a play for our best receiver.. How about our vaunted D with the great Zim at the helm?? Completely shits the bed in big games, couldn't stop SD in the playoff game, who came in with a crappy running game and we made them look good....

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by TD Bengals View Post
                        There is a Catch-22 with QBs. You play your starter until a better option is found, but you never know if the guy on the bench is better unless the starter gets injured or is sucking so bad that he gets benched. McCarron could be the next Tom Brady or he could be Nick Foles.
                        Or Matt Cassell... or Bret Favre... or Jeff Hostetler... or Earl Morrell... or Steve Young... or Jay Schroeder... or Aaron Rodgers!

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by sandwedge View Post
                          More utter nonsense..... The whole team collapses.. But I know we want to blame someone for Gio's fumble, AJ dropping a perfect pass at the goal line or a coach unable to draw up a play for our best receiver.. How about our vaunted D with the great Zim at the helm?? Completely shits the bed in big games, couldn't stop SD in the playoff game, who came in with a crappy running game and we made them look good....
                          I never said others did not contribute to the collapse(s). But our starting QB did not elevate his game and the team as the great ones seem to do. The HC and the QB are probably the two key components to winning teams.
                          Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by TD Bengals View Post
                            There is a Catch-22 with QBs. You play your starter until a better option is found, but you never know if the guy on the bench is better unless the starter gets injured or is sucking so bad that he gets benched. McCarron could be the next Tom Brady or he could be Nick Foles.
                            Quite true. I have been an advocate of giving McCarron more playing time simply because I know Dalton is not the answer.
                            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by ralphmtsu View Post
                              The Bengals will not trade McCarron unless they get a damn good offer. The better question would be this. Should the Bengals trade Dalton? I've looked at his stats. In my opinion, he has hit his plateau. If I know anything about the NFL it is this. You don't win the Super Bowl without an elite QB. As much as it pains me, Dalton is not elite. He's good, but everything has to be perfect for him to be elite. Right now, our OL is far from perfect and our run game is putrid (unless the opponent is Cleveland). Dalton just lacks the "it" factor. Personally, I think McCarron just might have the "it" factor. If not him and we are in a win now mode, go get Romo, dump Dalton and wait a year to resign McCarron as the heir apparent to Tony.
                              as you say our OL is far from perfect but you want to get a Older QB that has major issues at staying healthy? great plan.... well if its to let your back up QBs play many snaps. better plan would be fix the damn OL so your proven good( but not elite) QB has alittle protection and a running game. or just get a kicker that can make FGs/extra points and you'll win 3-4 more games just with your good (but not elite) QB and Faaaaaaaar from perfect OL

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Sea Ray View Post
                                Roethlisberger is not committing to next season

                                http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...to-2017-season

                                Think we need to do something to see to it that AJ McCarron does not end up in Pittsburgh in the next couple of yrs
                                Kind of lost in this thread, but this is sort of an odd statement by Benny. He does get the living shit knocked out of him every season..maybe age, maturity, wife/family has sunk into his thick skull that perhaps he wants to walk or be able to eat without drooling when he's 50.

                                Or he's just a drama queen? We already know that.
                                "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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