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  • #16
    Originally posted by spicoli View Post

    hell all you have to do is watch our own d-lineman, they routinely knock down 2-3 passes every game....doesn't matter if they're playing big Ben, Aaron Rodgers or Cody Kessler, they always seem to manage to get a few of them knocked down.
    But Peko is gone now so you will do it this year?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by spicoli View Post
      then apparently you haven't been paying much attention to any of the other QB's around the league.

      hell all you have to do is watch our own d-lineman, they routinely knock down 2-3 passes every game....doesn't matter if they're playing big Ben, Aaron Rodgers or Cody Kessler, they always seem to manage to get a few of them knocked down.
      Damn, I guess I am being specious here..... what I mean is REPEATEDLY being knocked down, as in, several plays consecutively. Neither Dalton nor the coaching staff seem to notice the fact that lil' Reds passes are being stopped mid-air, coming very close to being intercepted, in just one series of downs. I am not talking about a couple of passes during an entire game. I don't know. Maybe it's just me noticing something else the Bengals do that irritates the f_cK out of me. I equate this to when they play say, the Ratbirds, and their secondary stinks. What do the Bengals do? They try to run the entire game. It's like they're trying to prove a point that doesn't need to be made. If Andy's passes are getting blocked at the line, frickin' change up the play calling for Christ's sake.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by furnbuff View Post
        Damn, I guess I am being specious here..... what I mean is REPEATEDLY being knocked down, as in, several plays consecutively. Neither Dalton nor the coaching staff seem to notice the fact that lil' Reds passes are being stopped mid-air, coming very close to being intercepted, in just one series of downs. I am not talking about a couple of passes during an entire game. I don't know. Maybe it's just me noticing something else the Bengals do that irritates the f_cK out of me. I equate this to when they play say, the Ratbirds, and their secondary stinks. What do the Bengals do? They try to run the entire game. It's like they're trying to prove a point that doesn't need to be made. If Andy's passes are getting blocked at the line, frickin' change up the play calling for Christ's sake.
        I seem to notice it is the quick screens more than anything else.

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        • #19
          Thanks for havin' my back, S.C.

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          • #20
            I seriously don't think Andy is getting anymore balls knocked down than the other QB's are.......it likely just seems that way because Andy is the one we focus on the most.
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            • #21
              All I could find are stats from 2014
              http://www.footballoutsiders.com/sta...akdown-passers
              Scroll down a few charts to get to this info

              2014 passes batted rankings
              #20 Brady
              #21 Cousins
              #22 Wilson
              #23 Bridgewater
              #24 Dalton . . . total passes defensed ranked 13th(Translation: NOT a noodle arm)
              #25 Luck
              #26 Brees
              #27 Carr
              #28 Cutler


              Quarterback Passes Batted Pct. Rk
              Shaun Hill 229 6 2.6% 30
              Alex Smith 464 16 3.4% 35
              Tom Brady 582 11 1.9% 20
              Russell Wilson 451 9 2.0% 22
              Joe Flacco 548 8 1.5% 14
              Kyle Orton 445 5 1.1% 8
              Geno Smith 366 11 3.0% 33
              Aaron Rodgers 520 6 1.2% 9
              Roethlisberger 599 10 1.7% 17
              Ryan Tannehill 589 19 3.2% 34
              Tony Romo 434 4 0.9% 5
              Bridgewater 397 8 2.0% 23
              Andy Dalton 481 10 2.1% 24
              Kaepernick 478 6 1.3% 11
              Carson Palmer 224 3 1.3% 12
              Austin Davis 282 3 1.1% 7
              Kirk Cousins 204 4 2.0% 21
              Robert Griffin 214 4 1.9% 19
              Quarterback Passes Batted Pct. Rk
              Philip Rivers 569 5 0.9% 4
              Eli Manning 600 6 1.0% 6
              Peyton Manning 595 10 1.7% 18
              Jay Cutler 561 14 2.5% 28
              Blake Bortles 474 18 3.8% 36
              Mark Sanchez 309 2 0.6% 3
              Matthew Stafford 599 9 1.5% 15
              Brian Hoyer 437 12 2.7% 31
              Drew Brees 653 15 2.3% 26
              Andrew Luck 616 13 2.1% 25
              Josh McCown 323 4 1.2% 10
              Mike Glennon 202 1 0.5% 2
              Ryan Fitzpatrick 311 8 2.6% 29
              Nick Foles 310 0 0.0% 1
              Derek Carr 593 14 2.4% 27
              Matt Ryan 623 9 1.4% 13
              Cam Newton 446 7 1.6% 16
              Drew Stanton 240 7 2.9% 32
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              • #22
                Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                I seriously don't think Andy is getting anymore balls knocked down than the other QB's are.......it likely just seems that way because Andy is the one we focus on the most.
                I do. We focus on Andy that is true but we also watch the other team we play. And most games Andy is knock more. I don't blame Andy but the play design. There is no hesitation on the screen pass. It is hike, drop one step and pass the ball. Let the play develop and pass could be delivered behind the end rusher instead of right in his face.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Super Cat View Post
                  I do. We focus on Andy that is true but we also watch the other team we play. And most games Andy is knock more. I don't blame Andy but the play design. There is no hesitation on the screen pass. It is hike, drop one step and pass the ball. Let the play develop and pass could be delivered behind the end rusher instead of right in his face.
                  S.C.,

                  You seem to be the only one who's getting my drift here. I am not speaking about passes being knocked down over the course of the entire game, but during specific series', where Dalton gets three, four, five passes batted down, and nearly intercepted. During those offensive efforts, the Bengals seem to be completely oblivious, daring the defenses to "do what they will". I don't know about you, but if my neighbor's pit-bull almost bites me every time I walk close to his fence, I ain't walkin' near that fence anymore. I appreciate Pre-Hung's hard work in tracking down those stats, but when it comes to my post, it ain't relevant.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by furnbuff View Post
                    I am not speaking about passes being knocked down over the course of the entire game, but during specific series', where Dalton gets three, four, five passes batted down, and nearly intercepted.
                    I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Examples, please, two or three if possible. Old saying, once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, third time is a problem. I'm not denying that it happened, I just don't ever recall anything as bad as you described.
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                    • #25
                      Sorry, Pre-Hung, I can't give you any specific games, but I seem to remember it being maybe a Ratbird game last season. The first one. Could be wrong, though. I just know that I've seen it happen in several games, and like I mentioned, it apparently, has become another one of those Bengal traits that I absolutely hate. In my mind, it always comes down to coaching in some respect or another. Whether it's play calling, O-line failure, or simply Andy making the wrong check down, it's something that needs to get fixed, but there's the rub. Bengal coaching never exceeds expectations, they barely make their own job descriptions.

                      I think S.C. remembers seeing this happen a time or two, but I'm assuming that from his understanding of my posts. I'll go out on a limb here, and guess that with Dalton being the 4th most sacked Q.B., and the O-line being constantly pushed back into the pocket, that what I'm talking about happened several times last year, at least.

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                      • #26
                        Generally, and take this for what it is worth, my old line coach used to yell at us and tell us to "punch" the defensive lineman in the gut to keep their hands down, especially on quick hitting short pass plays, to keep them from deflecting those passes. So it could be partially the offensive lines fault and not Dalton's.

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