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  • Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
    Zampese , so far, to me has been a much lesser OC than both Hue and Gruden. I have little faith in Zampese to be innovative and adjust during the game - much like ML really. I have far more faith in Guenther whom I think is baing handcuffed by ML.

    Coaching, overall, remains an issue with this team.
    Too early to bail on Zampese as OC, but there has to be major improvement this season. Guenther's D wasn't very good his first year either.

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    • Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
      Zampese , so far, to me has been a much lesser OC than both Hue and Gruden. I have little faith in Zampese to be innovative and adjust during the game - much like ML really. I have far more faith in Guenther whom I think is baing handcuffed by ML.

      Coaching, overall, remains an issue with this team.
      Despite the coaching staff, Dalton improves every year. Therefore, I think he needs to stay. The Bengals need to keep looking for a better QB in lower rounds, b/c it could lead to A) a better starter or B) what we have now, a very capable backup who is worth something.

      The GM/Coaching staff is the problem with this team, not Dalton.
      Dona eis Requiem

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      • Christian McCaffrey makes sense for the Bengals at No. 9

        http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/4/8/...r-bengals-no-9

        After a rough 2016 season, the Cincinnati Bengals have the good fortune of being in possession of the No. 9 overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft. The possibilities for the pick are virtually endless, save for the eight players who will be taken ahead of the Bengals, as it is very unlikely the Bengals would trade up, given their history.

        However, that leaves the entire rest of the 2017 draft class for the Bengals to consider. That is a lot of pressure to get the pick right, but it is also a great opportunity for the Bengals to find a great player with the pick. One player who might fit that bill is Stanford running back Christian McCaffrey, who has been climbing in the eyes of many draft experts and, lately, has been considered a potential top-10 pick.

        It is no secret that the Bengals’ running back position needs some work. With 2016 breakout star Rex Burkhead now with the New England Patriots, the Bengals’ current running back corps consists of Giovani Bernard, Jeremy Hill and Cedric Peerman. Bernard is a solid running back, although he has had issues staying healthy over the years.

        Hill has flashed potential over the years, but he has had generally poor production over the last two seasons, potentially prompting the Bengals to move on from him at the end of his contract in 2017. Peerman is a 30-year old career third string running back. Although he is the special teams captain and a special teams Pro Bowler, his career should be winding down soon, so there is virtually no chance he will be able to leapfrog Hill on the depth chart.

        Clearly, the Bengals need to inject some talent into their running back corps. Even if Bernard is still a viable, talented player, he functions best in a complementary role. That is where a top running back prospect like McCaffrey comes into play. He can play the complementary role, but he can also be a workhorse if need be.

        Receiving comparisons to Tiki Barber, there are some questions about McCaffrey’s 5’11, 202-pound frame. But, that doesn’t take away from the fact that he regularly displays great footwork, agility, and vision when carrying the ball. Although he can regularly break into open space, he never stops looking for an angle to take, making defenders miss tackles at every point during the play. His small stature might be a black mark for some teams, but it can also allow him to maneuver a defense with ease.

        Unfortunately, in addition to questions about his size, there are questions about his exposure in college. Running backs typically have a very clear expiration date in the NFL due to the amount of work they are asked to do, and McCaffrey already logged a huge number of touches in college. He is used to having great blockers in front of him and tends to shy away from contact.

        However, in a one-two punch system like the Bengals would surely utilize, most of the negative observations about McCaffrey won’t mean much. With a team like the Bengals, assuming they also make a concerted effort to build the offensive line, McCaffrey could thrive as a 240-260 touch weapon while Bernard takes roughly 200-220.

        There are those who have criticized draft analysts for considering McCaffrey a top-10 pick. With Leonard Fournette also considered a top-10 pick, it seems crazy to think there are two running backs who could be taken in the top-10, especially when McCaffrey already has a significant amount of wear on his tires. But, you can’t deny that he could be a very dangerous weapon in the right system.

        At the end of the day, the Bengals are at their best when they have multiple high-profile weapons on the field. They could go with a few other top offensive weapons in this year’s draft to put the team back in good standing, but McCaffrey provides so much potential talent. There is virtually no chance he will fall to the Bengals’ second-round pick, so this could simply be a question of ‘best player available.’

        If he is the player the Bengals consider the best available at No. 9, they will definitely select him, and it would be very difficult to argue against it.
        potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
        QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
        OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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        • They dont need a RB at 9. BPA or whatever they need major O line help before any Backs .

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          • Originally posted by Stryker57 View Post
            They dont need a RB at 9. BPA or whatever they need major O line help before any Backs .
            problem is, there are no o-lineman to take that high....good chance BPA is a RB, WR or TE whether it's McCaffrey, Cook, Fournette, Howard, Williams or Ross.

            I'd bet big that we end up with one of those 6 with our first pick.....they're all graded pretty equally IMO.
            potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
            QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
            OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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            • Usually, CincyJungle's articles are thoughtful, well-researched, and solid. This one is charachatured.

              The writer makes it sound as though he is working with a decade of material. Like Burkhead being a "star", after basically 3 games during garbage time at the end of a bad year. Or shaking his head at Hill's body of work "over the years". Uh, 3?

              He then goes on to proclaim McCaffrey as "Top 10 draft pick", while simultaneously describing him as limited.

              I literally know nothing about Christian McCaffrey. But if I was going off of just this writing, I would strongly favor passing him by.
              "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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              • I don't know how likely it is that we draft McCaffrey at 9 but I absolutely do believe that the Bengals are desperate to get a big-time playmaker at that spot....which McCaffrey absolutely is.
                potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                • Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                  I don't know how likely it is that we draft McCaffrey at 9 but I absolutely do believe that the Bengals are desperate to get a big-time playmaker at that spot....which McCaffrey absolutely is.
                  He is a 20-30 pick talent, not top 10.

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                  • Originally posted by Lewdog View Post
                    He is a 20-30 pick talent, not top 10.
                    oh you have access to teams draft boards do ya?
                    potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                    QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                    OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                    • "Heard from multiple front office execs over last few days. Feeling is now Christian McCaffery goes Top 10." - Peter Schrager, FOX Sports

                      So much for McCaffrey going in the second round! I've had McCaffrey going to the Buccaneers at No. 19 in my 2017 NFL Mock Draft since the combine, but he'll apparently be off the board much earlier than that. I've attached this to the Jets, Panthers and Bengals to this because they're the likely spots for McCaffrey if he goes in the top 10. The Jets might be a long shot because there will be better prospects available (Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker, perhaps Leonard Fournette), but the Panthers seem the most likely destination. Carolina needs a running back, but probably won't want Dalvin Cook because of his character concerns. The Bengals make sense as well, but they won't have any qualms about taking Cook. -Walter
                      potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                      QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                      OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                      • Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                        oh you have access to teams draft boards do ya?
                        That's my opinion and also the opinion of many other sources out there.

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                        • Originally posted by Lewdog View Post
                          That's my opinion and also the opinion of many other sources out there.
                          just like there are also many other opinions out there that he's among to top 12 players in the draft, so...

                          what each team thinks is all that matters.
                          potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                          QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                          OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                          • Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                            just like there are also many other opinions out there that he's among to top 12 players in the draft, so...

                            what each team thinks is all that matters.
                            Ok, then we should just all shut up with our opinions until the draft because it doesn't matter? Got it. /thread

                            SuperCat shut down all draft threads until after the draft please. Thanks.

                            Seriously... I'm not trying to be a dick, but that's how you sound right now.

                            The kid just doesn't seem to have the power running ability and body build to absorb NFL punishment to play enough downs in the NFL to be worthy of a top 20 pick. NFL teams can get a guy that can do the exact same things as him in rounds 2 or later. He is a white version of Gio. In fact McCaffarey is leaner than Gio because he is 2 inches taller and about the same weight... which means he doesn't have as good a leverage as Gio and a higher center of gravity. He also runs too upright to me for a guy that doesn't have the power to truck a defender.

                            So there, that's my reasoning for him not being worth a top 10 pick.

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                            • wow settle down there Sally....my only point was that for every detractor you can find, I can just as easily find praise going in the other direction.

                              like I said, I have no idea if he ends up here but if they're looking for the top playmaker available with the #9 pick, then McCaffrey absolutely needs to be in the conversation considering he's one of the top playmakers in the history of college football.

                              plus the kid just strikes me as the type that's heard the "too small" thing his whole life and then just laughs at all of it as he's running by everyone on his way to the record books......I've never seen anyone ever square the kid up for a big hit and I've seen a ton of him, his size doesn't scare me in the slightest.
                              potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                              QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                              OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                              • Had they just signed Rex and let Hill play out the year we would have 3 solid RB's we could rotate. Problem with looking for a top playmaker on the offensive side is I don't trust the OC to utilize their talents. They kept Rex in the background when clearly he had tools we could have used. Even on D we could get a rush DE but ML will tie Guenther's hands on want to play MJ. As long as ML is the HC we are better off to pick 'safe' picks.
                                Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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