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  • #46
    Originally posted by ralphmtsu View Post
    All I know is this, Andre Smith would have played better than the 3-headed monster at RT last year. Bengals screwed the pooch once again by being cheap asses with Whit. And of course der fuehrer of disinformation is at his best saying we have only $3 million left to sign anyone b/c $16 million is tied up in LaFell and Dre. That is such bull-shit. Once again, Mike is at his cheap ass ways by not wanting to risk dead money in future years. What the hell, the cap is going up $10 million per year. You can afford to have some dead money. I'm also so sick of this shit of oh well, we will get a 3 and 5 for Whit and Zietler in 2018. Guess what? 2018 players can't play now. Finally, I'm also sick of this attitude that we will only sign cut players instead of restricted free agents b/c we like getting compensatory picks. Once again, those compensatory picks are not players now. We need players NOW. OL is in shambles b/c Mike is a cheap ass and unwilling to pay or get creative. I know success puts you into these situations, but sometimes you have to take risks and deal with potential dead money. We will be bottom feeders especially since the OL will be as about as bad as when Klingler was QB or Blake or Kitna.
    Agree 100% and I will add insult to injury - if you want to be a draft and develop team then you have to invest in far better coaching so that MORE of the younger guys get on the field faster. We 'try and keep our own' but we take too long to deternmine if they are worth keeping. We keep slugs like Hunt and re-sign slugs like Peko and Rey M and then let go the best young OL we drafted. And of course as pointed out above, we are always $10M below the cap to protect against injury AND we never defer monies. This structure has zero chance of success.
    Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Super Cat View Post
      This will be a year of running the ball because you don't have a line that has played together. Much like Dalton's first year. We can go to the playoffs but it won't be pretty.

      How does one run the ball with a young and crappy OL?
      Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by spicoli View Post
        we were only an injury away from these guys having to play anyhow so what's the difference?

        throw them out there and see what happens, maybe they'll surprise us.

        no reason to just automatically assume it can't possibly work out, at least give 'em a chance for crying out loud.
        well the OL was very sub par so its either they sucked so bad they couldnt beat out bad players OR they OL was so bad that it cant be worse. and they played Boling with a bad shoulder cause they didnt trust the back ups last year. so they werent an injury away last year....

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        • #49
          If the O-line sucks this year then it'll be because we didn't draft/develop their replacements very well. Not because we didn't break the bank keeping them. It's a salary cap league. You can't just write checks to overcome poor drafting.

          Before anyone starts moaning about this O-line next year, remember last yr. It wasn't that great. Let's be careful not to overrate what we saw in 2016

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sea Ray View Post
            If the O-line sucks this year then it'll be because we didn't draft/develop their replacements very well. Not because we didn't break the bank keeping them. It's a salary cap league. You can't just write checks to overcome poor drafting.

            Before anyone starts moaning about this O-line next year, remember last yr. It wasn't that great. Let's be careful not to overrate what we saw in 2016
            Problem is that the only good part of the OL in 2016 were the two players that left. I haven't written off Ogbuehi yet, but he needs to improve dramatically. Fisher hasn't exactly lived up to his draft position yet either. I have zero confidence in Bodine, although he did make some improvement last year. TJ Johnson? He's only had one start at guard so far and played less than 100 snaps in 2016, so who the hell knows? Boling regressed in 2016. Hopefully he can turn things around.

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            • #51
              Lew nailed it: Westerman. This guy can play. Period.

              How about a this idea for the Second Round: Dan Feeney of Indiana? A lifelong RIGHT guard, who possesses every attribute a guard can have. Having watched a lot of IU football over the years, I tell you: this guy has the goods.

              Maybe Ced doesn't ever play LT. Don't forget JAKE Fisher--a natural LT on Oregon's best offenses. Don't think he has seen more than a few speed rushers in the PAC 12? Maybe Ced--who has been bulking up and working hard this offseason at specialty workout sites in SoCal--lol's @ all of you. The Cincinnati Bengals were not the only team to see an NFL LT during the draft two years ago. Look it up. For all you know, a younger/quicker/stronger offensive line is only a TC away.

              But if you wish to wallow in the 90's, feel free.
              Last edited by Le Tigre; 03-11-2017, 02:01 AM.
              "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                Lew nailed it: Westerman. This guy can play. Period.

                How about a this idea for the Second Round: Dan Feeney of Indiana? A lifelong RIGHT guard, who possesses every attribute a guard can have. Having watched a lot of IU football over the years, I tell you: this guy has the goods.

                Maybe Ced doesn't ever play LT. Don't forget Eric Fisher--a natural LT on Oregon's best offenses. Don't think he has seen more than a few speed rushers in the PAC 12? Maybe Ced--who has been bulking up and working hard this offseason at specialty workout sites in SoCal--lol's @ all of you. The Cincinnati Bengals were not the only team to see an NFL LT during the draft two years ago. Look it up. For all you know, a younger/quicker/stronger offensive line is only a TC away.

                But if you wish to wallow in the 90's, feel free.
                hey if Ced can make it through this TC that would be awesome. of course it would be his 1st TC so i'll be pretty excited for him too.

                and ignore the 90's all you want but those who ignore history will be more likely to repeat it.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                  Don't forget Eric Fisher
                  If only we had Eric Fisher.

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                  • #54
                    Sorry...had Winston on my mind. Amendment made.
                    "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TD Bengals View Post
                      If only we had Eric Fisher.
                      I wouldn't so far as to say Eric Fisher is a bust but he certainly has not lived up to pre draft hype. I don't think we need more of that around here...

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                      • #56
                        If you ask KC fans, they will tell you Fisher is a bust.
                        Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side!

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                        • #57
                          If we do not, as an organization, value the guard position as highly as others (and many teams if not most do this) then why waste a 1st round pick on a guard like we did with Zietler? Use the higher picks for the positions you value more and where you will pay the money to on the second contract. CB is a good example of that. Obviously Zietler was a great addition, plug and play but if he is elite you will never re-sign him because of the position he plays.
                          Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                            If we do not, as an organization, value the guard position as highly as others (and many teams if not most do this) then why waste a 1st round pick on a guard like we did with Zietler? Use the higher picks for the positions you value more and where you will pay the money to on the second contract. CB is a good example of that. Obviously Zietler was a great addition, plug and play but if he is elite you will never re-sign him because of the position he plays.
                            once a guy hits the open market, and this is true with any team, he's pretty much as good as gone.....you can throw all the money in the world at him early but if he's determined to test market in order to maximize his value there's really not a whole lot a team can do.

                            they tried like hell to get Zeitler locked up long term several times according to Lap but he was determined to hit the market....it is what it is.
                            potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                            QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                            OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                            • #59
                              Let's face it, the Bengals draft for 4-5 year rookie contracts. They may have some big money guys they re-up after the rookie contracts, like Dalton, Green, Gio... but a lot of the time they try to maximize the value of play to the value of the contract to lower the risk factor of failure. In there eyes it is much better to have a rookie bust that is making a couple million a year, then have a veteran bust that is making $5 million per year.

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                              • #60
                                Everyone drafts for 3-4 year rookie contracts. The Bengals then extend these rookie contracts for a year by making sure that young players play in less than 6 games in a season. Then they bring in 2nd and 3rd tier FAs and play them as backups instead of these rookies. The coaches don't know whether they can play despite having them in their organization for 3-4 years.
                                They treat all their high OL draft picks as cheap free agents. They expect that they can play early, and they only re-sign them if they are still cheap free agents. It's like they are playing moneyball and don't know that the NFL has a salary cap.

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