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  • I think everyone assumed Zietler was gone. The problem was Whit. Everyone assumed he would stay. Nevermind the whole assume thing. The issue was once Whit had the Ram offer, the Bengals were STUPID not to match it. There was hardly any difference in money. It was all structure. Mike is just too damn stubborn and cheap. He or ML should have been on the phone and told Whit that the Bengals will match. Which goes to even more of a point, why the hell not slap the transition tag onto Whit? We should have been able to keep one of the two-- especially after last year when they faced the same problem with Jones and Sanu. Couldn't keep both but could have kept one. They didn't plan for that with the OL. If it had come down to keeping Whit or Dre, I would have kept Whit. Which goes even further, why keep LaFell. I'd much rather have Whit over LaFell any freaking day of the year. Boyd played well as did Erickson. LaFell was expendable.
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    • Originally posted by ralphmtsu View Post
      The issue was once Whit had the Ram offer, the Bengals were STUPID not to match it.
      speaking of assuming.......what makes you so sure Whit would have stayed even if the offers had been identical?

      I mean, maybe the dude just wanted to see what else was out there..
      potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
      QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
      OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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      • Originally posted by spicoli View Post
        speaking of assuming.......what makes you so sure Whit would have stayed even if the offers had been identical?

        I mean, maybe the dude just wanted to see what else was out there..
        What else is out there? Dude, playing for the Bengals and Mike Brown is Fantasy Island don't ya know.
        Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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        • For the Bengals: Taylor Moton RG/RT or Pat Elflein OC/OG? They seem ranked about the same, late 2nd early 3rd. Moton is more powerful with more upside, but I question whether he has the feet to play at RT. Elflein proved he can play any of the interior positions, but likely won't be a mauler.

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          • Originally posted by puddycat View Post
            For the Bengals: Taylor Moton RG/RT or Pat Elflein OC/OG? They seem ranked about the same, late 2nd early 3rd. Moton is more powerful with more upside, but I question whether he has the feet to play at RT. Elflein proved he can play any of the interior positions, but likely won't be a mauler.
            I am sure our elite OL coach will select the right one
            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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            • Originally posted by spicoli View Post
              speaking of assuming.......what makes you so sure Whit would have stayed even if the offers had been identical?
              .
              I feel like that's a pretty safe assumption.

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              • On the topic of the OL in general, does anybody else get the feeling we've been shifting to more of zone concept in terms of blocking for the past 2-3 years. Here's why I say that:

                Ogbuehi and Fisher were both guys projected to excel in zone schemes. I wasn't crazy about drafting them because we were running a power scheme at the time.

                Zeitler is strictly a power guy, and we just let him walk. Granted we drafted him in round 1, but that was back then. Westerman and Bodine are also guys that are more zone fits. Winston was a zone guy for most of his career before he came here. Maybe his role is to help guide the transition. Whit is good enough to play in any scheme, hence we tried to re-sign him, albeit half-heartedly.

                Andre has always been a power-type guy, but as an OT shifting to guard he should have the feet to do it.

                And this would explain Hill's declined production and our continued support of him. I know we've incorporated some zone run plays into the playbook. Hill has always been a downhill runner, which works in a point-of-attack power scheme. He's not a one cut and go slasher you'd have in a zone scheme. So maybe the thinking is that he just didn't adapt well to the zone plays because he's not used to it. And that we'll gradually shift to more zone stuff, and he'll gradually adapt, like Melvin Gordon did in San Diego (coming out of a power scheme at Wisconsin). Gio can play in any scheme.

                Hobson mention a little while back that there was scuttlebutt of moving to more zone concepts because now we have good athletes but less power. I'm thinking it's not recent scuttlebutt, but been in the works at least since the 2015 draft.

                Just a theory... am I way off here?

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                • Bodine is usually in a zone - twilight zone
                  Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                  • Apply for the job...or buy the team.

                    Simple solution for your '90's Era Syndrome.
                    "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                    • Come on LT, you are better than that. Using the same quip in multiple threads? You are about as creative as Mikey Boy

                      Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                      Apply for the job...or buy the team.

                      Simple solution for your '90's Era Syndrome.
                      Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side!

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                      • i guess I'm just creative like that, Ralph.
                        "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                        • Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                          Apply for the job...or buy the team.

                          Simple solution for your '90's Era Syndrome.

                          When I see Fat Paul Alexander, Mediocre Marv and the Brown family still large and in charge of everything....I know that we are ALL stuck in the '90's.

                          Same hodge-podge of unassimilated players with no identity, playing for a management that hasn't developed any "discernable" system or program.

                          They missed their window of opportunity a few years back when they "lucked" upon a top-tier DC, who instilled a "discernable" program and brought in his own players.

                          Other than those few years, the Cincinnati Bengals (post PB), just remind me of a high school program, albeit they generate a fortune, due to the socialism of the NFL.

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                          • Originally posted by LimaBengal View Post
                            They missed their window of opportunity a few years back when they "lucked" upon a top-tier DC,
                            They missed their window of opportunity when they decided to keep Marvin and let Zimmer walk. I'm not saying Zimmer is a great HC, I'm saying he's a better HC than Lewis.
                            Only users lose drugs

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                            • Originally posted by LimaBengal View Post
                              When I see Fat Paul Alexander, Mediocre Marv and the Brown family still large and in charge of everything....I know that we are ALL stuck in the '90's.

                              Same hodge-podge of unassimilated players with no identity, playing for a management that hasn't developed any "discernable" system or program.

                              They missed their window of opportunity a few years back when they "lucked" upon a top-tier DC, who instilled a "discernable" program and brought in his own players.

                              Other than those few years, the Cincinnati Bengals (post PB), just remind me of a high school program, albeit they generate a fortune, due to the socialism of the NFL.
                              Speak for yourself, padre...I left the '90's in my rear-view mirror around...2000. If you still want to live there, great. Otherwise, apply for the job or buy the franchise.
                              "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                              • Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                                Speak for yourself, padre...I left the '90's in my rear-view mirror around...2000. If you still want to live there, great. Otherwise, apply for the job or buy the franchise.
                                so the super moderator is basicly saying if you cant do something about it( like buy the billion dollar family free meal ticket NFL franchise) then stop talking about it.

                                I mean really what you think this is ? a place to post your opinions or something?

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