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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lewdog View Post
    Marvin has flat out said he doesn't see how they can draft 11 guys to make the team. They will have to do something, whether it is using them to move up in the draft this year, or trading them away for higher picks next year.
    Or as per usual, *saying* they have to do something but then actually not doing it.
    Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by spicoli View Post
      what's that have to do with the fact that the Bengals obviously saw more value in trading one of next years late round picks for a guy from another system? I just pointed out that I didn't really think it had all that much to do with guys like MJ, Clark, Hardison, etc...they just saw a chance to grab a guy that they must have scouted somewhere along the way.

      and no, 11 draft picks won't make the 2017 roster....IMO, they'll be using a few of those picks as maneuverability in this draft, I'd guess about 8 picks is what they'll end up with when it's all said and done. (plus UDFA's)
      Well i don't suppose it has to do with that at all. I just tacked on that 11 picks can make the roster. I like the Chris Smith trade.

      the only part I'll concede is that some of those 11 picks might be players they want to stash on the PS, but will be 5th or 6th rounders who won't clear waivers. But we don't have such a world class roster that we can't replace some unproductive vets with hungry rookies.

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      • #18
        A lot of late rounders pass waivers to go on the PS for teams. We have done it plenty of times. At the end of TC, most teams are dealing with their own picks let alone picking up others.
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        • #19
          Might the Bengals be involved in a draft day trade?
          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...top-nine-picks
          "I had a general manager tell me that two quarterbacks will be taken before the Buffalo Bills pick at No. 10," said NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly. "Two quarterbacks in the top nine. That'd be a shocker."
          I'm sure Mike Brown will find a way to screw this up.
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          • #20
            What sort of trade would you envision that the Bengals would "screw up"--particularly since I do not see their names mentioned in the article?

            I suppose Buffalo would want Watson so bad, they might want to flip positions with the Bengals...but that is really the only scenario I see. And what would that really benefit either side, and what is the compensation?
            "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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            • #21
              He'll ask for too much and get nothing like when he chose Akili Smith over three first round picks('99-'00-'01), the rest of the Saints '99 draft and their third rounder in '00 . . . he wanted four first rounders because his son went to an Oregon game once and claimed that Akili Smith was "lights out". Don't forget, the Colts took James at RB at #4 so when Williams was sitting at #5, Ditka offered less to Washington than he offered the Bengals and they took it.

              Hobson in '99
              http://bengals.enquirer.com/1999/04/...turn_down.html

              The Bengals aren't named in my previous link but their 9th pick is, more or less announcing to the NFL "If you want one of the two top QBs, if you don't trade up high to get one, the Bengals would be your last chance to deal before the Bills grab the 2nd one". If one of the two QBs are still sitting there when the Bengals are on the clock, threaten Buffalo that you have someone on the line that wants to trade up. If one is sitting there at #9 and the Bengals don't trade with Buffalo, Brown will be at fault, imo. Also, with 11 picks this draft, I'd trade down with them for a pick in 2018.
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              • #22
                Wow, going back 18 years to make a point....well done.

                potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                  Wow, going back 18 years to make a point....well done.

                  No kidding. The Bengals have made first round moves since then - Chris Perry year and Zeitler come to mind. This year with 11 picks trading down will only be useful if it involves either 2018 picks or if we get more 2017 picks and then use them to trade up in rounds 2-4. And of course, it would only be done if you are sitting at 9 and your board does not have a top 10 player on it left.
                  Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                  • #24
                    sounding more and more like one of the more premium players will be sitting there for us at 9....all we have to do is hold our water and see who falls to be rewarded.
                    potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                    QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                    OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                      No kidding. The Bengals have made first round moves since then - Chris Perry year and Zeitler come to mind. This year with 11 picks trading down will only be useful if it involves either 2018 picks or if we get more 2017 picks and then use them to trade up in rounds 2-4. And of course, it would only be done if you are sitting at 9 and your board does not have a top 10 player on it left.
                      Chris Perry was another mistake. Trade down, trade down, pass on Stephen Jackson, draft an eggshell of a RB.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                        Wow, going back 18 years to make a point....well done.

                        Well, it's not like I have a plethora of Bengals draft day trades to dig through.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Pre_hungover View Post
                          Chris Perry was another mistake. Trade down, trade down, pass on Stephen Jackson, draft an eggshell of a RB.

                          But the mistake was the analysis of the players on the board - not the trade value itself. We traded down two spots because the board said Perry and Jackson had the same value. If Jackson had a bigger spread over Perry then they likely would not have traded.

                          There is always 2 components to a draft spot trade - the actual pick value you receive back and then what you do with those extra picks. In the old Akili trade scenario if Akili turned out to be elite then refusing the trade would have been the right move.
                          Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                          • #28
                            Too true. That is why the Draft is still the mother of all crap tables--study all you can, but dice still need to be thrown.
                            "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
                              That is why the Draft is still the mother of all crap tables--
                              still not even close to the baseball draft though.....now THAT is the mother of all crap tables!
                              potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                              QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                              OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                                still not even close to the baseball draft though.....now THAT is the mother of all crap tables!
                                Yeah, but they have a minor league system to develop players to rise to the MLB level. They don't take a college kid, put him on the highest level and see if he can adjust. "Crash Or Burn, kid". It was even worse years ago when they were getting ridiculous money.

                                LOL

                                I was listening to April Wine when posting and I guess I subliminally(stoned) posted Crash Or Burn(they have a song called Crash And Burn)

                                I meant Crash or Cash
                                Last edited by Pre_hungover; 04-23-2017, 07:41 PM.
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