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    The Bengals traded a conditional 2018 pick for Jacksonville DE Chris Smith. I'm not sure about Smith's contract status I haven't looked that up yet, by I can tell you he is a 4th year player out of Arkansas that has 4.5 sacks and 20 tackles in his career. That's not exactly the kind of stats you want to hear. He's also more Wallace Gilberry size than the rest of the guys. He's only 6'1" and 262 lbs.

    I'm not real sure about this trade, from the sounds of things the Bengals could have gotten a guy like this in the late rounds and had them on a cheaper rookie contract. Smith was a 5th round pick by Jacksonville. Maybe this is a sign the Bengals are trying to fill some roster spots before the draft in order to package some picks to move up in the draft?

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    Originally posted by Lewdog View Post
    The Bengals traded a conditional 2018 pick for Jacksonville DE Chris Smith. I'm not sure about Smith's contract status I haven't looked that up yet, by I can tell you he is a 4th year player out of Arkansas that has 4.5 sacks and 20 tackles in his career. That's not exactly the kind of stats you want to hear. He's also more Wallace Gilberry size than the rest of the guys. He's only 6'1" and 262 lbs.

    I'm not real sure about this trade, from the sounds of things the Bengals could have gotten a guy like this in the late rounds and had them on a cheaper rookie contract. Smith was a 5th round pick by Jacksonville. Maybe this is a sign the Bengals are trying to fill some roster spots before the draft in order to package some picks to move up in the draft?
    Mikey does not usually work in complications such as this. This is an odd move for them and to me it signals how weak the team feels it is at this spot. Re-signing Gilberry and then trading for this guy (I am sure it is for a very late round pick) means they want to move on from MJ and perhaps several of the younger guys who have not seemed to develop.
    Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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    • #3
      He's a camp body on a 1yr. prove it deal. 1 year left on contract per Spotrac. I don't know what he's like now. Draft info looks like straight line speed was OK, but change of direction not so much. Was projected as a 3-4 OLB. I assume the 2018 draft condition is that he's on the 53 man roster. Of course, this could signal an actual competition at DE, which will of course not happen due to injury (or being out of shape) to one of the competitors who will be kept on the team.

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      • #4
        Can you say rotation? He is another body to run in there with Hunt and Peko gone.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
          Mikey does not usually work in complications such as this. This is an odd move for them and to me it signals how weak the team feels it is at this spot. Re-signing Gilberry and then trading for this guy (I am sure it is for a very late round pick) means they want to move on from MJ and perhaps several of the younger guys who have not seemed to develop.
          This defies logic. By "moving on" from MJ93 and "younger guys who have not developed" (you are probably referring to Will Clarke or Hardison), you are saying that a mid-year signee from a year ago, and a 20 career tackle unknown, are superior to the others? It makes no sense.
          "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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          • #6
            Part of the discussion that should happen with any player is not just related to field play but value. MJ at his cap value is a huge waste of cap space. And clearly some of the younger guys have either not stepped up to take snaps from him or they have been stunted in their growth by ML not liking to play younger guys. I am certainly not saying Smith is better than MJ but the trade itself to me shows the lack of confidence in the current group of the DL group save for Atkins and Dunlap. Smith was a scrub on a poor Jack team and poor DL so why even bother picking him up if you are confident in the group you have plus draft picks.

            I would move on from player like MJ and Pacman just to free up cap space for other players - but the Bengals rarely do that.
            Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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            • #7
              iam a long time defense fan, and I want to have a strong, and dominating defense. I want DE's that can rush the QB, I want NT's to push hsi way through to cause havoc and I want LB's that tackle and stop running backs from going anywhere., and I want DB's to cover their man like stickem, no interferances, but get that int.

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              • #8
                That is a lot to wish for for ANY fan.
                Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                • #9
                  they picked up Smith for one simple reason....they don't need 11 draft picks and this is a guy that's been in a pro-system for several years and is of better value to them than a 6th or 7th round pick would be this year.

                  I'm sure they scouted him at some point and were intrigued and simply said "let's see what happens" .....this move has absolutely nothing to do with MJ, Hardison, Clark or anyone else on that DL, IMO.
                  potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                  QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                  OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                    Part of the discussion that should happen with any player is not just related to field play but value. MJ at his cap value is a huge waste of cap space. And clearly some of the younger guys have either not stepped up to take snaps from him or they have been stunted in their growth by ML not liking to play younger guys. I am certainly not saying Smith is better than MJ but the trade itself to me shows the lack of confidence in the current group of the DL group save for Atkins and Dunlap. Smith was a scrub on a poor Jack team and poor DL so why even bother picking him up if you are confident in the group you have plus draft picks.

                    I would move on from player like MJ and Pacman just to free up cap space for other players - but the Bengals rarely do that.
                    OK...that clarifies things a bit.

                    Smith was a pure rush end at Arkansas, and looks like that was all Jax saw him as too--evidenced by his low amount of snaps during his time there. If trying to find the reasoning for trading a conditional (which will be a 7th rounder if he sticks), I would imagine the defensive coaches saw something which might help get some situational speed off the edges. The old risk/reward thing. Who knows?

                    I would still think they are going to try and get another rush end in the draft--and there are a few of them. But even if they do, it will not be with the idea of replacing MJ93 or Clarke, or Hardison. The skill sets of those guys are different than Smith or the draftee(s). You will need them all in a rotation.
                    "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                      they picked up Smith for one simple reason....they don't need 11 draft picks and this is a guy that's been in a pro-system for several years and is of better value to them than a 6th or 7th round pick would be this year.
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                      Except we traded a conditional 2018 draft pick for him, so we still have 11 picks this year.

                      We can certainly use 11 picks - several for the practice squad and several others will get sore hamstrings and get put on IR.
                      Marvin Lewis - the Clapping Clown.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
                        Except we traded a conditional 2018 draft pick for him, so we still have 11 picks this year.

                        We can certainly use 11 picks - several for the practice squad and several others will get sore hamstrings and get put on IR.
                        this year or next it's all the same, a guy that's been coached in a pro-system holds more value than these late round picks.

                        and there is NO WAY in hell that all 11 of the draft picks this year makes this team, not even factoring in the PS.....it just in't happenin.
                        potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                        QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                        OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                          this year or next it's all the same, a guy that's been coached in a pro-system holds more value than these late round picks.

                          and there is NO WAY in hell that all 11 of the draft picks this year makes this team, not even factoring in the PS.....it just in't happenin.
                          I don't think that's necessarily true at all. If we invest a pick in a guy we'll definitely give him a shot on the PS at the least (though he could be claimed on waivers). And remember we have vets who are not guaranteed spots, like Dawson, Sims, Gilberry, Peerman, even Winston I'd say. And training camp injuries will factor in somehow.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bengali View Post
                            I don't think that's necessarily true at all. If we invest a pick in a guy we'll definitely give him a shot on the PS at the least (though he could be claimed on waivers). And remember we have vets who are not guaranteed spots, like Dawson, Sims, Gilberry, Peerman, even Winston I'd say. And training camp injuries will factor in somehow.
                            what's that have to do with the fact that the Bengals obviously saw more value in trading one of next years late round picks for a guy from another system? I just pointed out that I didn't really think it had all that much to do with guys like MJ, Clark, Hardison, etc...they just saw a chance to grab a guy that they must have scouted somewhere along the way.

                            and no, 11 draft picks won't make the 2017 roster....IMO, they'll be using a few of those picks as maneuverability in this draft, I'd guess about 8 picks is what they'll end up with when it's all said and done. (plus UDFA's)
                            Last edited by spicoli; 04-17-2017, 08:28 AM.
                            potential targets for Bengals #1 overall pick in 2018:
                            QB's- Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolf
                            OT's- Orlando Brown, Connor Williams, Mike McGlinchey

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by spicoli View Post
                              what's that have to do with the fact that the Bengals obviously saw more value in trading one of next years late round picks for a guy from another system? I just pointed out that I didn't really think it had all that much to do with guys like MJ, Clark, Hardison, etc...they just saw a chance to grab a guy that they must have scouted somewhere along the way.

                              and no, 11 draft picks won't make the 2017 roster....IMO, they'll be using a few of those picks as maneuverability in this draft anyhow, I'd guess about 8 picks is what they'll end up with when it's all said and done. (plus UDFA's)
                              Marvin has flat out said he doesn't see how they can draft 11 guys to make the team. They will have to do something, whether it is using them to move up in the draft this year, or trading them away for higher picks next year.

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