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  • Lewdog
    started a topic Bengals Make a Trade!...

    Bengals Make a Trade!...

    The Bengals traded a conditional 2018 pick for Jacksonville DE Chris Smith. I'm not sure about Smith's contract status I haven't looked that up yet, by I can tell you he is a 4th year player out of Arkansas that has 4.5 sacks and 20 tackles in his career. That's not exactly the kind of stats you want to hear. He's also more Wallace Gilberry size than the rest of the guys. He's only 6'1" and 262 lbs.

    I'm not real sure about this trade, from the sounds of things the Bengals could have gotten a guy like this in the late rounds and had them on a cheaper rookie contract. Smith was a 5th round pick by Jacksonville. Maybe this is a sign the Bengals are trying to fill some roster spots before the draft in order to package some picks to move up in the draft?

  • ralphmtsu
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    I don't see the Bengals moving out of #9. Mike likes his picks and rarely moves. The only thing I could see would be moving down a few spots in the first round while picking up an additional second and fourth round pick. Then using our bevy of picks to bundle and move back into round 1. Regardless of what we do at #9, I can still see us packaging picks to possibly get into the 2nd round again.

    As for the trade, it is blah to me. Conditional 2018 pick for a body. I'm sure the conditional pick is a 6th or 7th rounder regardless of what Smith does on the field. It is one of those fliers with possible upside and low risk. Besides, Gilberry has been a solid performer for us, so if Smith falls into the Gilberry molde, I consider it a net positive.

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  • Pre_hungover
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    Originally posted by spicoli View Post
    still not even close to the baseball draft though.....now THAT is the mother of all crap tables!
    Yeah, but they have a minor league system to develop players to rise to the MLB level. They don't take a college kid, put him on the highest level and see if he can adjust. "Crash Or Burn, kid". It was even worse years ago when they were getting ridiculous money.

    LOL

    I was listening to April Wine when posting and I guess I subliminally(stoned) posted Crash Or Burn(they have a song called Crash And Burn)

    I meant Crash or Cash
    Last edited by Pre_hungover; 04-23-2017, 07:41 PM.

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  • spicoli
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    Originally posted by Le Tigre View Post
    That is why the Draft is still the mother of all crap tables--
    still not even close to the baseball draft though.....now THAT is the mother of all crap tables!

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  • Le Tigre
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    Too true. That is why the Draft is still the mother of all crap tables--study all you can, but dice still need to be thrown.

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  • I_C_DeadPeople
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    Originally posted by Pre_hungover View Post
    Chris Perry was another mistake. Trade down, trade down, pass on Stephen Jackson, draft an eggshell of a RB.

    But the mistake was the analysis of the players on the board - not the trade value itself. We traded down two spots because the board said Perry and Jackson had the same value. If Jackson had a bigger spread over Perry then they likely would not have traded.

    There is always 2 components to a draft spot trade - the actual pick value you receive back and then what you do with those extra picks. In the old Akili trade scenario if Akili turned out to be elite then refusing the trade would have been the right move.

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  • Pre_hungover
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    Originally posted by spicoli View Post
    Wow, going back 18 years to make a point....well done.

    Well, it's not like I have a plethora of Bengals draft day trades to dig through.

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  • Pre_hungover
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    Originally posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
    No kidding. The Bengals have made first round moves since then - Chris Perry year and Zeitler come to mind. This year with 11 picks trading down will only be useful if it involves either 2018 picks or if we get more 2017 picks and then use them to trade up in rounds 2-4. And of course, it would only be done if you are sitting at 9 and your board does not have a top 10 player on it left.
    Chris Perry was another mistake. Trade down, trade down, pass on Stephen Jackson, draft an eggshell of a RB.

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  • spicoli
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    sounding more and more like one of the more premium players will be sitting there for us at 9....all we have to do is hold our water and see who falls to be rewarded.

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  • I_C_DeadPeople
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    Originally posted by spicoli View Post
    Wow, going back 18 years to make a point....well done.

    No kidding. The Bengals have made first round moves since then - Chris Perry year and Zeitler come to mind. This year with 11 picks trading down will only be useful if it involves either 2018 picks or if we get more 2017 picks and then use them to trade up in rounds 2-4. And of course, it would only be done if you are sitting at 9 and your board does not have a top 10 player on it left.

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  • spicoli
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    Wow, going back 18 years to make a point....well done.

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  • Pre_hungover
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    He'll ask for too much and get nothing like when he chose Akili Smith over three first round picks('99-'00-'01), the rest of the Saints '99 draft and their third rounder in '00 . . . he wanted four first rounders because his son went to an Oregon game once and claimed that Akili Smith was "lights out". Don't forget, the Colts took James at RB at #4 so when Williams was sitting at #5, Ditka offered less to Washington than he offered the Bengals and they took it.

    Hobson in '99
    http://bengals.enquirer.com/1999/04/...turn_down.html

    The Bengals aren't named in my previous link but their 9th pick is, more or less announcing to the NFL "If you want one of the two top QBs, if you don't trade up high to get one, the Bengals would be your last chance to deal before the Bills grab the 2nd one". If one of the two QBs are still sitting there when the Bengals are on the clock, threaten Buffalo that you have someone on the line that wants to trade up. If one is sitting there at #9 and the Bengals don't trade with Buffalo, Brown will be at fault, imo. Also, with 11 picks this draft, I'd trade down with them for a pick in 2018.

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  • Le Tigre
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    What sort of trade would you envision that the Bengals would "screw up"--particularly since I do not see their names mentioned in the article?

    I suppose Buffalo would want Watson so bad, they might want to flip positions with the Bengals...but that is really the only scenario I see. And what would that really benefit either side, and what is the compensation?

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  • Pre_hungover
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    Might the Bengals be involved in a draft day trade?
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...top-nine-picks
    "I had a general manager tell me that two quarterbacks will be taken before the Buffalo Bills pick at No. 10," said NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly. "Two quarterbacks in the top nine. That'd be a shocker."
    I'm sure Mike Brown will find a way to screw this up.

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  • I_C_DeadPeople
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    A lot of late rounders pass waivers to go on the PS for teams. We have done it plenty of times. At the end of TC, most teams are dealing with their own picks let alone picking up others.

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