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    I think everyone assumed Zietler was gone. The problem was Whit. Everyone assumed he would stay. Nevermind the whole assume thing. The issue was once Whit had the Ram offer, the Bengals were STUPID not to match it. There was hardly any difference in money. It was all structure. Mike is just too damn stubborn and cheap. He or ML should have been on the phone and told Whit that the Bengals will match. Which goes to even more of a point, why the hell not slap the transition tag onto Whit? We should have been able to keep one of the two-- especially after last year when they faced the same problem with Jones and Sanu. Couldn't keep both but could have kept one. They didn't plan for that with the OL. If it had come down to keeping Whit or Dre, I would have kept Whit. Which goes even further, why keep LaFell. I'd much rather have Whit over LaFell any freaking day of the year. Boyd played well as did Erickson. LaFell was expendable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphmtsu View Post
    The issue was once Whit had the Ram offer, the Bengals were STUPID not to match it.
    speaking of assuming.......what makes you so sure Whit would have stayed even if the offers had been identical?

    I mean, maybe the dude just wanted to see what else was out there..
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    Quote Originally Posted by spicoli View Post
    speaking of assuming.......what makes you so sure Whit would have stayed even if the offers had been identical?

    I mean, maybe the dude just wanted to see what else was out there..
    What else is out there? Dude, playing for the Bengals and Mike Brown is Fantasy Island don't ya know.
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    For the Bengals: Taylor Moton RG/RT or Pat Elflein OC/OG? They seem ranked about the same, late 2nd early 3rd. Moton is more powerful with more upside, but I question whether he has the feet to play at RT. Elflein proved he can play any of the interior positions, but likely won't be a mauler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puddycat View Post
    For the Bengals: Taylor Moton RG/RT or Pat Elflein OC/OG? They seem ranked about the same, late 2nd early 3rd. Moton is more powerful with more upside, but I question whether he has the feet to play at RT. Elflein proved he can play any of the interior positions, but likely won't be a mauler.
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by spicoli View Post
    speaking of assuming.......what makes you so sure Whit would have stayed even if the offers had been identical?
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    I feel like that's a pretty safe assumption.

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    On the topic of the OL in general, does anybody else get the feeling we've been shifting to more of zone concept in terms of blocking for the past 2-3 years. Here's why I say that:

    Ogbuehi and Fisher were both guys projected to excel in zone schemes. I wasn't crazy about drafting them because we were running a power scheme at the time.

    Zeitler is strictly a power guy, and we just let him walk. Granted we drafted him in round 1, but that was back then. Westerman and Bodine are also guys that are more zone fits. Winston was a zone guy for most of his career before he came here. Maybe his role is to help guide the transition. Whit is good enough to play in any scheme, hence we tried to re-sign him, albeit half-heartedly.

    Andre has always been a power-type guy, but as an OT shifting to guard he should have the feet to do it.

    And this would explain Hill's declined production and our continued support of him. I know we've incorporated some zone run plays into the playbook. Hill has always been a downhill runner, which works in a point-of-attack power scheme. He's not a one cut and go slasher you'd have in a zone scheme. So maybe the thinking is that he just didn't adapt well to the zone plays because he's not used to it. And that we'll gradually shift to more zone stuff, and he'll gradually adapt, like Melvin Gordon did in San Diego (coming out of a power scheme at Wisconsin). Gio can play in any scheme.

    Hobson mention a little while back that there was scuttlebutt of moving to more zone concepts because now we have good athletes but less power. I'm thinking it's not recent scuttlebutt, but been in the works at least since the 2015 draft.

    Just a theory... am I way off here?

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    Bodine is usually in a zone - twilight zone
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  9. #129
    Apply for the job...or buy the team.

    Simple solution for your '90's Era Syndrome.
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    Come on LT, you are better than that. Using the same quip in multiple threads? You are about as creative as Mikey Boy

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Apply for the job...or buy the team.

    Simple solution for your '90's Era Syndrome.
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    i guess I'm just creative like that, Ralph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Apply for the job...or buy the team.

    Simple solution for your '90's Era Syndrome.

    When I see Fat Paul Alexander, Mediocre Marv and the Brown family still large and in charge of everything....I know that we are ALL stuck in the '90's.

    Same hodge-podge of unassimilated players with no identity, playing for a management that hasn't developed any "discernable" system or program.

    They missed their window of opportunity a few years back when they "lucked" upon a top-tier DC, who instilled a "discernable" program and brought in his own players.

    Other than those few years, the Cincinnati Bengals (post PB), just remind me of a high school program, albeit they generate a fortune, due to the socialism of the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaBengal View Post
    They missed their window of opportunity a few years back when they "lucked" upon a top-tier DC,
    They missed their window of opportunity when they decided to keep Marvin and let Zimmer walk. I'm not saying Zimmer is a great HC, I'm saying he's a better HC than Lewis.
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  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by LimaBengal View Post
    When I see Fat Paul Alexander, Mediocre Marv and the Brown family still large and in charge of everything....I know that we are ALL stuck in the '90's.

    Same hodge-podge of unassimilated players with no identity, playing for a management that hasn't developed any "discernable" system or program.

    They missed their window of opportunity a few years back when they "lucked" upon a top-tier DC, who instilled a "discernable" program and brought in his own players.

    Other than those few years, the Cincinnati Bengals (post PB), just remind me of a high school program, albeit they generate a fortune, due to the socialism of the NFL.
    Speak for yourself, padre...I left the '90's in my rear-view mirror around...2000. If you still want to live there, great. Otherwise, apply for the job or buy the franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Speak for yourself, padre...I left the '90's in my rear-view mirror around...2000. If you still want to live there, great. Otherwise, apply for the job or buy the franchise.
    so the super moderator is basicly saying if you cant do something about it( like buy the billion dollar family free meal ticket NFL franchise) then stop talking about it.

    I mean really what you think this is ? a place to post your opinions or something?

  16. #136
    Thoughtful and meaningful opinions are one thing. Endless, repetitive, stale, crap is something else.

    If the latter is preferred, then in reality the advice to apply or buy, makes the most sense.
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    well understood and very easy for me to agree with

    But when you repeat the same old apply and buy lines you too are adding the Endless, repetitive, stale crap

  18. #138
    Fair enough.

    Back to the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Thoughtful and meaningful opinions are one thing. Endless, repetitive, stale, crap is something else.

    If the latter is preferred, then in reality the advice to apply or buy, makes the most sense.
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    " Indiana, let it go."
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    "the sun will come out tomorrow"

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    Yall do realize my twi zone post had a bite to it. Sure the times had changed on the old librarian (fedup), but whats up with thr extreme heavy handedness of the the
    "authorities-?
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    Fox Sports news hound Jay Glazer supplied some good omens about Bengals new left tackle Cedric Ogbuehi Sunday when he surfaced at the meetings. Ogbuehi wanted to spend this offseason working on defending the bull rush and that’s exactly what he’s been doing.

    For the last month Glazer has been working with Ogbuehi and other NFL players at his Unbreakable Camp in the Hollywood Hills that is basically MMA training for football. Leverage, toughness, resilience are all on the agenda.

    “If you can go five three-minute rounds with one minute off in between, you can go for eight seconds in the NFL,” Glazer said. “It’s demoralizing what we do. It’s so tough physically that it’s the mental game that’s so important. Getting the crap knocked out you by short old guys. Some of these guys leave here after two days, four days. But Ced’s been there for a month. I’m proud of him.

    “It’s hard. If you want to play in the NFL to be famous, our gym is the wrong place for you,” Glazer said. “If you want to push yourself to be the best, that’s what we’re going to do.”

    Glazer, Hue Jackson’s very definition of a rolling ball of knives at 5-7, 210 pounds, is part of his stable stocked with the toughest former MMA fighters around. The man Ogbuehi is replacing, Andrew Whitworth, has dabbled with Glazer for a decade but is now full-time with his move to the Rams. Glazer proudly popped open his phone to display a recent video of him pushing against the 6-8, 330-pound Whitworth in the finest Greco Roman wrestling tradition and not a cartoon.

    Down through the years Glazer has also trained such as stars as Titans running back DeMarco Murray and Jags defensive end Calais Campbell, as well Eagles tight end Zach Ertz and Giants tackle Justin Pugh. Not to mention movie star Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.

    “Ced is incredibly athletic. He just beat one of our receivers in a race. He’s ridiculous,” Glazer said. “We had to find out what his weaknesses were.

    “This (training) is all between the ears and behind the rib cage and it takes time to click in … Last week was a big week for him. You can see it click in. Whit said the same thing … He’s showing toughness and fighting back.”

    http://www.bengals.com/news/article-...5-f19d1654e293
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    Good to hear Ced is putting the time in - whether he pans out or not is still the big question but as long as he puts the effort in we can't fault the end result if he does not work out.

    One mock drfat I saw yesterday had the Bengals going OL at #9 - the guy from Utah
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post

    One mock drfat I saw yesterday had the Bengals going OL at #9 - the guy from Utah
    I just think 9 is too high for any of these o-linemen this year.....hopefully if they feel the need to take one that early, they'll at least try and trade back a bit to get some added value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_C_DeadPeople View Post
    Good to hear Ced is putting the time in - whether he pans out or not is still the big question but as long as he puts the effort in we can't fault the end result if he does not work out.

    One mock drfat I saw yesterday had the Bengals going OL at #9 - the guy from Utah
    Having done a little MMA i can tell you that the training is no joke. One of my favorite memories is playing air guitar in between training rounds while guys half my age were dropping like flies all around me. I gurss i was one of those old guys he was referring to.
    Never got to step in the cage though. Probably the biggest disappointment of my life. Just as well ... My neck is toast.
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    I have a new respect for you, Slade. Seriously, that stuff can make Marine boot on Parris look like a picnic.
    "This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche

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    Quote Originally Posted by spicoli View Post
    Fox Sports news hound Jay Glazer supplied some good omens about Bengals new left tackle Cedric Ogbuehi Sunday when he surfaced at the meetings. Ogbuehi wanted to spend this offseason working on defending the bull rush and that’s exactly what he’s been doing.

    For the last month Glazer has been working with Ogbuehi and other NFL players at his Unbreakable Camp in the Hollywood Hills that is basically MMA training for football. Leverage, toughness, resilience are all on the agenda.

    “If you can go five three-minute rounds with one minute off in between, you can go for eight seconds in the NFL,” Glazer said. “It’s demoralizing what we do. It’s so tough physically that it’s the mental game that’s so important. Getting the crap knocked out you by short old guys. Some of these guys leave here after two days, four days. But Ced’s been there for a month. I’m proud of him.

    “It’s hard. If you want to play in the NFL to be famous, our gym is the wrong place for you,” Glazer said. “If you want to push yourself to be the best, that’s what we’re going to do.”

    Glazer, Hue Jackson’s very definition of a rolling ball of knives at 5-7, 210 pounds, is part of his stable stocked with the toughest former MMA fighters around. The man Ogbuehi is replacing, Andrew Whitworth, has dabbled with Glazer for a decade but is now full-time with his move to the Rams. Glazer proudly popped open his phone to display a recent video of him pushing against the 6-8, 330-pound Whitworth in the finest Greco Roman wrestling tradition and not a cartoon.

    Down through the years Glazer has also trained such as stars as Titans running back DeMarco Murray and Jags defensive end Calais Campbell, as well Eagles tight end Zach Ertz and Giants tackle Justin Pugh. Not to mention movie star Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.

    “Ced is incredibly athletic. He just beat one of our receivers in a race. He’s ridiculous,” Glazer said. “We had to find out what his weaknesses were.

    “This (training) is all between the ears and behind the rib cage and it takes time to click in … Last week was a big week for him. You can see it click in. Whit said the same thing … He’s showing toughness and fighting back.”

    http://www.bengals.com/news/article-...5-f19d1654e293

    Thanks, Spic. Best news I've heard all off-season.

  29. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by LimaBengal View Post
    Thanks, Spic. Best news I've heard all off-season.
    I'm not that worried about Ced. Here's my day after Christmas post about his only start at LT
    So I played the game back again as background noise and paid attention to Ogbuehi whenever Cincy had the ball

    I'd give him a B plus, maybe an A- because Houston has one tough D.

    Both of the sacks he gave up will not be acceptable in Cincinnati until they shore up the interior O-line. If Dalton were allowed to step up in the pocket, both of those sacks would have been pass rushers being pushed around a QB but since Bodine and/or Zetler is often pushed back 5 or 6 yards within one to one and a half seconds, Ogbuehi can't allow people to speed rush the edge. That's impossible. Whit would have most likely given up sacks on those plays. It doesn't matter if it's big Vince Wilfork or a LB, Bodine is pushed back towards the QB on pretty much every passing play.

    Most of the game, CO held Clowney in check and was called for zero penalties against a pro bowler. He occasionally had a problem staying with his blocks when they tried an inside move and the Bengals ran to the right. They would just keep heading down the line and just about all that Ced could do was hold but he stayed with them, riding them right down the line towards the ball carrier. When they came straight at him or to his left on running plays to the right, they were out of the play.

    He looked way more comfortable at LT against a Pro Bowler than he did at RT against the teams #2 pass rusher. I'm not declaring that the worry of him playing at LT should be forgotten about, but he looked better than he has all season. Let's see what he does against T-Sizzle this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    I have a new respect for you, Slade. Seriously, that stuff can make Marine boot on Parris look like a picnic.
    Thanks. It was fun while it lasted, and knocked out any lingering desires I had to start smoking again. Now I just do mostly "soft" martial arts and hope to play a little softball with friend this Summer. Of course I'm always up for some baseball or basketball with grandson. This isn't saying much, but he can shoot a lot better than I. It's all I can do to beat him (he's 11), lol.
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