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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, Rich Braham, Eric Steinbach, and Andrew Whitworth called...they want their coach's reputation back.
    Willie was a first round pick, Levi was a first round pick, Rich Braham learned to play before Alexander, Steinbach was a second, and Whitworth was a second....

  2. #122
    Evans was a solid pick. Better than Boulware, yes.

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    Just saw on ESPN, LA Chargers grabbed both Lamp and Feeney. That should be a solid interior line for years to come.
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    Kiper and McShay basically just said that Evans can only cover and that he is not a physical linebacker for being an ILB... he is more finesse than pop.

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    yep, like I said, that hybrid nickle LB/S role that they tried to fit Mays into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spicoli View Post
    yep, like I said, that hybrid nickle LB/S role that they tried to fit Mays into.
    But at least Mays would hit people. Hell, Mays was known for knocking people out.

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    I'm very happy with Evans ... the first true LB we draft


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    I like the Lawson and Elliott picks. Kind of scratching my head about Malone and Dielman. Is Malone much of an upgrade over Core? Would have preferred Toth over Dielman. Not sure why Toth hasn't been picked yet. Is there an undisclosed injury or something?

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    The Bengals are definitely just drafting for speed right now... Brandon Wilson has a 4.4 Forty time. Just another special teams player though, when there are guys on the board with a lot more production.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    Willie was a first round pick, Levi was a first round pick, Rich Braham learned to play before Alexander, Steinbach was a second, and Whitworth was a second....
    And your detached point would be that no higher picked player needs coaching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    But at least Mays would hit people. Hell, Mays was known for knocking people out.
    I've watched a lot of Oklahoma and I've seen him smack some people....maybe he was just cherry picking lol but either way I think they took him for his ability to cover in the middle of the field and juice up the ST's.
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    Brandon Wilson was a RB, S, and CB in college. He's an athletic freak. Guessing we'll use him at safety and special teams.

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    The Bengals gave up their last 6th and First 7th for this pick... now they don't pick again until #251. Talk to you all later! lol

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    CB Brandon Wilson (5-10 1/2, 198) ran the 40 in 4.41 and 4.38 seconds, had a 41-inch vertical, an 11-1 broad jump, a 4.41-second short shuttle, a 7.07-second three-cone, and 24 bench lifts. he was moved to running back late in the season following an injury to a teammate. That might be his best position. He's also a great kick returner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TD Bengals View Post
    Brandon Wilson was a RB, S, and CB in college. He's an athletic freak. Guessing we'll use him at safety and special teams.
    poor mans Jabril Peppers!
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  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    And your detached point would be that no higher picked player needs coaching?
    No... but show me examples of mid to lower round picks that he has "coached up" to be starters. There is a difference between being able to "coach up" top notch guys, and being able to "coach up" and mold a rough edge guy from the middle or late rounds that needs to be developed. Which is especially important to this discussion seeing as what round Dielman was drafted.

    Take your time finding guys to fit that list...

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Pre_hungover View Post
    Just saw on ESPN, LA Chargers grabbed both Lamp and Feeney. That should be a solid interior line for years to come.
    I just can't get used to the name LA Chargers. Makes want to look for Sid Gillman, Paul Lowe, and Ron Mix.
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    No... but show me examples of mid to lower round picks that he has "coached up" to be starters. There is a difference between being able to "coach up" top notch guys, and being able to "coach up" and mold a rough edge guy from the middle or late rounds that needs to be developed. Which is especially important to this discussion seeing as what round Dielman was drafted.

    Take your time finding guys to fit that list...
    Talk to me when you have played or coached the game, otherwise your conclusions are non sequitur.
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  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Talk to me when you have played or coached the game, otherwise your conclusions are non sequitur.
    I don't have to be a coach in order to create reality.

    If Alexander is such a great coach, he'd be able to develop late round guys into capable starters. Anyone can take First and Second Round picks and turn them into quality starters given enough opportunities...

    Please tell me you are smarter than that to make the last comment you just made... Using the appeal to authority fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post

    If Alexander is such a great coach, he'd be able to develop late round guys into capable starters. Anyone can take First and Second Round picks and turn them into quality starters given enough opportunities...
    unless you know the percentages league wide for both sides of that, I don't really see how you can come to that conclusion.

    I know this, he's got a helluva reputation around the league....if he were to get fired at the end of the season, I doubt he'd have to wait very long to find work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    I just can't get used to the name LA Chargers. Makes want to look for Sid Gillman, Paul Lowe, and Ron Mix.
    I did have to think"Don't type SD. Don't type SD."

    Browns just took Gonzalez
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  23. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by spicoli View Post
    unless you know the percentages league wide for both sides of that, I don't really see how you can come to that conclusion.

    I know this, he's got a helluva reputation around the league....if he were to get fired at the end of the season, I doubt he'd have to wait very long to find work.
    Not sure why. Let's be honest, name the player's he's "developed." The Bengals haven't had a quality center since Braham left. He last played week 2 of 2006. How does a team go that long without filling such an important position? Or working their asses off to develop a guy?

    Another thing I don't care for about Alexander. Willie Anderson pointed out that Cedric was getting beat because of poor footwork and offered to help him out. The Bengals turned him down... so either Alexander is teaching him poorly or wrong, or his ego is soooo big he isn't willing to let someone else help, which is a HUGE problem. How do you turn down help from one of the greatest tackles in your team's history? And why is Willie having to point out a problem, and offering to help with it, if Alexander taught Willie how to play tackle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    Talk to me when you have played or coached the game, otherwise your conclusions are non sequitur.
    Here is an analogy for you, i work with many people that have been in my job for years and they still have no clue, well, they have somewhat of a clue, so i think this fits right in with Alexander here. I am sure you and others work with people like this or maybe even you are the one with no clue or have somewhat of a clue. lol Get the point?
    "We started with a very low standard, so we have nowhere to go but up," offensive coordinator Jay Gruden said. So you set your standards as low? WOW!

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  25. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Bengali View Post
    I like Harlow starting in about the 5th round. Thing about G/C at this point is roster space. We only keep about 5, and you have to figure Boling, Bodine, Johnson, Westerman take up 4. And that's if you count Smith as an OT. We need to draft somebody clearly better than Hopkins. So if we go that route i'd rather it be Isaac Asiata in the 4th. Could be the center of the future.

    I also like J.J. Dielman from Utah.
    Good call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    Not sure why. Let's be honest, name the player's he's "developed."
    but is it just him or do other coaches around the league do really well with the upper picks but are more hit and miss with the lower ones as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spicoli View Post
    but is it just him or do other coaches around the league do really well with the upper picks but are more hit and miss with the lower ones as well?
    Just look around the league how many teams have offensive linemen that were fourth round or later, if not UDFA, and compare that to how many guys like that have been quality players for the Bengals under Alexander. Bodine was a 4th, I think Ghiacic was a 5th, TJ Johnson was a 7th... I mean seriously who has been a realible starter that Alexander has really had to develop?

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    Final pick #251
    Mason Schreck 6'4 1/2" - 253 lbs - 4.76 40 time
    Blocking TE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    Willie was a first round pick, Levi was a first round pick, Rich Braham learned to play before Alexander, Steinbach was a second, and Whitworth was a second....
    Braham started his playing career under Alexander in 1994.

  30. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Pre_hungover View Post
    Final pick #251
    Mason Schreck 6'4 1/2" - 253 lbs - 4.76 40 time
    Blocking TE
    Probably try to convert him to FB...

  31. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Cat View Post
    Braham started his playing career under Alexander in 1994.
    Alexander was a TE coach in 1994.

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    Chad Kelly got picked with the last pick of the draft... Now the Bengals can't even bring him in as an UDFA. F U" C K

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    @CJAnthonyCUI: RT @PriscoCBS: Duke Tobin and Bengals are killing it
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    I heard the Browns are going to cut Brantley even though they drafted him at the top of the 6th. Gee, what ineptitude. BTW, who is our 3rd string QB? Do we even have one? Yeah, I know it is Driskel, but wow. Looks like we are going to keep McCarron and let him walk next year. Oh, wait. Does anyone know if the decision has been made regarding McCarron's rookie year? I heard that the Bengals claim his rookie year doesn't count as an accrued season b/c he was injured. I think some type of arbitration was pending. We might have McCarron for 2 more years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewdog View Post
    Just look around the league how many teams have offensive linemen that were fourth round or later, if not UDFA
    Ok, great, they've got mid round picks and udfa's starting, so do we....are their guys doing any better or are they just ordinary everyday starters like Bodine is?
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  36. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Pre_hungover View Post
    Wasted pick The WR corps is solid. If the Kicker is gone, I'm going to be pissed
    If Ross misses plays or not games, he can step right in and lift the lid off of the Defense. He can perform the sams function in place of Green when he misses plays/games.
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    We Love you all baby Bengals and welcome home

    Round 1, Pick 9 (9) John Ross WR 5'11" 188 Washington 6.1

    Round 2, Pick 16 (48) (From Vikings) Joe Mixon RB 6'1" 226 Oklahoma 6.0

    Round 3, Pick 9 (73) Jordan Willis OLB 6'4" 255 Kansas St. 5.8

    Round 4, Pick 9 (116) Carl Lawson OLB 6'2" 261 Auburn 5.6

    Round 4, Pick 22 (128) (From Vikings through Dolphins) Josh Malone WR 6'3" 208 Tennessee 5.2

    Round 4, Pick 32 (138) (Compensatory Selection) Ryan Glasgow DT 6'3" 302 Michigan 5.4

    Round 5, Pick 9 (153) Jake Elliott K 5'9" 167 Memphis 4.9

    Round 5, Pick 33 (176) (Compensatory Selection) J.J. Dielman C 6'5" 309 Utah 5.0

    Round 6, Pick 9 (193) Jordan Evans LB 6'2" 233 Oklahoma 5.4

    Round 6, Pick 23 (207) (From Titans through Giants) Brandon Wilson RB 5'11" 200 Houston 5.3

    Round 7, Pick 33 (251) (Compensatory Selection) Mason Schreck TE 6'5" 258 Buffalo --

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    We Love you all baby Bengals and welcome home

    Round 1, Pick 9 (9) John Ross WR 5'11" 188 Washington 6.1

    Round 2, Pick 16 (48) (From Vikings) Joe Mixon RB 6'1" 226 Oklahoma 6.0

    Round 3, Pick 9 (73) Jordan Willis OLB 6'4" 255 Kansas St. 5.8

    Round 4, Pick 9 (116) Carl Lawson OLB 6'2" 261 Auburn 5.6

    Round 4, Pick 22 (128) (From Vikings through Dolphins) Josh Malone WR 6'3" 208 Tennessee 5.2

    Round 4, Pick 32 (138) (Compensatory Selection) Ryan Glasgow DT 6'3" 302 Michigan 5.4

    Round 5, Pick 9 (153) Jake Elliott K 5'9" 167 Memphis 4.9

    Round 5, Pick 33 (176) (Compensatory Selection) J.J. Dielman C 6'5" 309 Utah 5.0

    Round 6, Pick 9 (193) Jordan Evans LB 6'2" 233 Oklahoma 5.4

    Round 6, Pick 23 (207) (From Titans through Giants) Brandon Wilson RB 5'11" 200 Houston 5.3

    Round 7, Pick 33 (251) (Compensatory Selection) Mason Schreck TE 6'5" 258 Buffalo --

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Tigre View Post
    I get it...they are going to run an Arena League set: where they use 7 wides and only have 3 blockers. Brilliant!

    (Cue Lima with "you defend every pick") lol
    They tried that several times last year with a little success, though it was the 3 left, 4 middle, 3 right middle school package.

    As I suspected based on how much time, scope,, effort and cost by the Bengals went into this draft, they came away with at least six picks I would rate as "A- to A+".
    Last edited by BlazerBenner; 04-29-2017 at 07:53 PM.
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  40. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by furnbuff View Post
    Oh wait! What am I so worried about? I absolutely forgot about Mikey's favorite time of the football year, an owner's equivalent to a "yard sale", training camp cuts! Mikey will just go shopping for a few bargain basement offensive lineman who've been cut, and he'll solve all of our line needs.

    That Mikey loves him some bargains!
    There"s also June 1st Veterans cuts, and the CFL and Grade F Free Agents who never got calls (I know you"re joking, but there"s usually 2-3 quality Guards available there).
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